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Hi, I just completed my first site design in ProcessWire... http://miraopalinska.com I'm more of a designer than a coder (and had never coded a single line of PHP) so the learning curve was a little bit steep at first, but the patterns started emerging and the consistent way in which Ryan has set up ProcessWire made things a lot easier. I've been using TextPattern extensively, but was starting to find it a little bit clunky for my needs. ProcessWire, without wanting to slam TextPattern, is on a different level. One of the best things? This forum. It seems that absolutely ANYTHING I had a problem with, a search in Google brought me to this forum and an answer. That's a big difference from TextPattern (well, any other CMS to be honest). This forum is a condensed mine of information. So... thank-you everyone here! This was also my first multi-language site, and ProcessWire has that sorted too in a very intuitive, very integrated way. I'm still having a few problems here and there (CKEditor is acting a bit weird, for example), but I'm sure I'll be able to iron them out. Mira's finding it really easy to update and add content. I was able to make the client side really clean and fuss-free. Something that was hard to do in TextPattern (and is a total utter nightmare in WordPress). Installation was pretty basic, using the default admin theme. I used the following modules... CKEditor ImgMinSize Image cropping tool Video embed for YouTube/Vimeo Multi-language Repeater Everything else accomplished with a mix of Javascript and PHP. Thanks again, particularly Ryan. I'm pretty confident I'll be using ProcessWire for all CMS needs from now on. Douglas.

Actually I thought it would turn out that those masks indicate the testers of Apeisa's new shopping cart and it is some clever marketing stuff going on... But this whole topic led me to pathetic thinking about the ProcessWire community instead. I think it is great that we, the people of different countries, nations and races can joke around while making something important together instead of oppressing each other with warfare, sanctions slander and such. This type of communication can make real progress in establishing some understanding and mutual respect instead of suspicion and hatred. I am thakthul to this community and it's spirit. Not a master with this kind of language, so pardon my grandiloquence. I usually prefer irony. I havе no television at home, but yesterday was visiting someone who has )).

We are all humans Ivan, borders & nations are not build for safety (in first place) instead they are the result of people controlling other people for gaining power. People are competitive by nature. I don't like to use races in this context, cause that is just evolution, adapting to the environment they are living in over a long periode of time. We as human have to question everything, even the things we think we know. Most things are just learnt by confrontation with the subject very often and taken as granted, thus making it 'truth'. We have a fine community here, caring for each other, caring for the things we believe in and believe in the goodness of other people . It's not only the quality of ProcessWire that makes this community thriving the most important part is the social part over here.

Apologies for the confusion Ivan, I had no idea that asking my avatar to wear a mask would lead to confusion about the shopping cart module - there is no link between the two. I'll let my avatar know that he nearly caused an international incident in the PW community!

Hi all, This theme is now part of the core. You can install it instead of the default. Ryan and I are still working on a few minor issues, but overall it should be really solid. Looking forward to hearing what you all think.

Just wanted to throw in my two cents. If you come at it as a front-end developer that's a complete beginner to CMSs, then PW should be very easy to get going. It's built around working the same way that existing web technologies work… Pages map in the same way that URLs do… Template files are just plain HTML/PHP files… the API is largely the same as a front-end API (jQuery)… and so on. So if you know your basic web technologies outside of CMSs, then you won't find a simpler system than ProcessWire. The problem is most other CMSs don't work that way. So the line gets more blurry when you've become used to the terminology and approach of another CMS, because PW can be quite different. Sometimes you have to unlearn what you know from elsewhere in order to appreciate the simplicity of PW. People are always trying to find complexity that isn't there, especially those that grew up on other platforms. PW is a system that rewards you by being curious. We aim to show you how to fish so that you can catch the big fish. We're not here to catch the fish for you. You don't have to know anything about fishing, but you should know how to yell for help if you fall in the water. And you should be willing to learn by example. I learn best by example, so this is the way I tend to teach too (and I recognize not everyone learns the same way). PW is a CMS and CMF, not a website builder. If you are curious and willing to explore, you'll find it is very simple indeed. Certainly far simpler than even WordPress in creating a custom website. You do have to come from the point of view of "I want to create and have the system adapt to me" rather than "I will create something based on what the system provides." If you already know what you want to create and it's something unique, you won't find a simpler path to get there than PW. WordPress is a different beast, in that it's basically saying "YOU WILL CREATE A BLOG or modify this blog and call it something else." Some people like that underlying structure… "okay, we're starting with a blog, what can we do with it?" Others do not like that underlying structure. Our audience consists of those that want to have a system support their original creation rather than mash up an existing creation. There was a PDF posted earlier that I think hit upon some good points, and I appreciate the effort that went into putting it together. The fictional character being scripted in the dialog is not our target. I can go into specifics if anyone wants me to, but I was definitely left feeling at the end of it that we have to be careful about hand-feeding too much or else we'll start attracting people beyond our support resources. Folks that want the fish cooked and filleted rather than folks learning to fish. Perhaps in time we will want to attract more of the consumer-type audience, but currently I don't know how to support users looking to find all the answers in a sitemap file. Keep in mind that unbridled growth is not necessarily desirable. Most of us don't get paid for most of the work we do here and we do best if we grow in a more healthy manner, attracting more thoughtful designer/developers that are here to learn and also contribute. Obviously the author of the PDF is one of the thoughtful ones (and the PDF is a great contribution), even if his fictional character isn't necessarily, but we'll welcome him anyway. But we will definitely be going through the PDF in more detail to learn and improve from it where appropriate, while keeping our audience in mind. I think we're doing something right, because our audience is growing rapidly. I'm nearly full time on ProcessWire now, and it's still difficult to keep up with everyone. At present, I like that our audience is largely open-minded, curious and thoughtful designers and developers. Somehow we've attracted an incredible quality of people and that's what makes this place great. We could not ask for a better group of people here. I'm reluctant to lead PW towards a website builder direction because I think that's when the quality of the community could go down, as people come looking to eat fish rather than learn, catch some fish, and throw some back. The reality is that part of our long term goals include converting the rather large audience that has outgrown WordPress into ProcessWire users. I'm convinced that we do that by giving them more ProcessWire, and not more WordPress. But at the same time, we always have to keep an eye on WordPress and learn. They've been lucky no doubt, but they are also doing many things right. So we have been and always will be working to make the WP-side of users more comfortable in ProcessWire, while also trying to help them grow by distancing them from the limited WP mindset.

I would hope someone would have the courtesy to send me a pm, if they really had critical thoughts about my work. I would appreciate and take that better. As I tell people that I mentor, It's all about intent and purpose. Just my two cents.

Thanks you both for the great effort keeping with the enormous pace! I just dropped the pack on a 2.5 installation I'm working ATM and looks good so far, will try to report if I find something.

I liked the nav too. If you ask a room full of people what they think there will always be a difference of opinion. You don't have to change things people have suggested of course but you may find you get more suggestions here than other places

Hi douglas81, As a former TXP user (nearly 5 years) It's always nice to see folks making the transition to ProcessWire. Very nice site. I agree with some of diogo's suggestions about the menu — but in the end it's a pretty small site, so I think people will find their way even if you keep it as-is. You mentioned being more of a designer than coder. I would have described myself the same way when I first started using ProcessWire. I suspect that will change the longer you are here. Anyhow, congrats on the site — and welcome.

I just upgraded my processwire, I tried it and love it good job renobird and don´t call me bald please!

I installed Craft some days ago and was well impressed with the interface and flexibility, but after playing around a bit and reading their docs I got the idea that it is not nearly as flexible and powerful as PW. I also have the feeling that they managed to have such a clean interface by giving less flexibility, because each field works in a completely different way, while in PW all fields use the same repeatable resources.

you need learn how to fish? OR you should learn fishing?

Okay, I had to back track to make sure you were not talking about me! I know my luscious long brown (or used to be) hair can be confusing, but......

Anyone else tried the new Reno Theme by RenoBird (Tom) ? Looks reall nice and would definitely recommend it. BTW that does say 2.5.1 in the footer

Well, you'll need the wireframes for each of your options so I'd suggest you prepare them then contact Ryan to see if its on his roadmap. If not, the ball is still in your court as to how to proceed.

Thanks to Manfred's relentless efforts (and a little merging by me), the German language pack for the stable version of ProcessWire is now officially updated for 2.5. I have to admit the merge was a bit of a rocky road, so if anyone notices any issues with this in 2.5 (I have only checked it briefly myself), please report them. The best way to do so is via the language pack's GitHub issues.

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Don´t worry just kidding. The theme is awesome no issues for me. bald -->

Hey Peter, To avoid confusion, you should change the status of Admin > Pages > Image Crop to "hidden" so it doesn't show in the Pages submenu. I have reminded Antti about this (https://github.com/apeisa/Thumbnails/issues/23) so hopefully it will be fixed in Thumbnails shortly. Cheers!

blad (bald), Apologies if I ever referred to you incorrectly. I post from mobile a lot, and autocorrect can be a little bastard. Thanks for the kind words. Also, shall I send help? It appears the weight of your mask was too much for your neck. I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but the Pages menu item is one of the things still being sorted out. Pages was just a single parent item when I first built this theme (it's been around over a year now), still exploring other solutions for how that item and it's children work. Keep an eye out for updates.

Good job and welcome I love the homepage photo

@LostKobrakai Although it might not be the best solution, have you tried something like Textile before? There's a module available for it and you'll need to use the restricted version if the input is coming from untrusted sources like social users. It should handle the differences in \r, \n, \r\n etc but might be a little more complex than you really need. Whatever you end up doing I suggest you always pass the finalised field values through htmlspecialchars() or htmlentities() before rendering them on your site.

Better be carefull! A few pixels just started a media virus spreading across the planet.

The latest pw 2.5 even has a multi-language installer included with a language selection nav bar.

Related to Pete's 3rd point above: It might be helpful to potential respondents if people posting jobs here would also state what timezone they are operating in.

@NorbertH If I understand you right, you don't like all those markup-string concatination, which gets stored in variables, like this: foreach(){ $out .= "markup"; } I don't like it as well. At least for more advanced snippets of more than 2 or 3 lines. Your prefered way of php templating does output text directly which isn't great either for a deligated approach. That's why I'm using the TemplateFile class of ProcessWire. It let's you define a html-template in your prefered way, while most of the logic can stay in the processwire-page-template files. // tpl/tmp_article.php <div class="article"> <h2><?php echo $title; ?></h2> <?php echo $text; ?> </div> // articles.php <? $content = ""; foreach($pages->children as $article){ $t = new TemplateFile($config->paths->templates . "tmp/tmp_{$page->template}.php"); $t->set( "title", $article->title ); $t->set( "text", $article->body ); $content .= $t->render(); } As the template files are normal php files as well you can still do what you want to. The $t->render() method just returns everything that gets outputted by the template file.

I agree with this. Perhaps a bit wider at 250px? THANK YOU FOR THE POST ABOUT THE AUTOUPDATER I upgraded from 2.4.18 to 2.5.0 without a problem. --- @Ryan THANK YOU!

You shouldn't edit index.php directly. Instead you should create a file called index.config.php and put the following there. <?php if(!defined("PROCESSWIRE")) die(); function ProcessWireHostSiteConfig() { return ["*"=>"myNewSiteLocation"]; } Obviously change the string myNewSiteLocation. Edit: Forgot to mention that if your directory name doesn't start with "site-", you should create your own .htaccess inside your site-directory that protects assets in the same way the main .htaccess does. The main .htaccess protects only the default site folder and folders starting with "site-". You could modify the main .htaccess too, but again you should avoid editing it to make upgrading PW easier.

I don't understand why you would drop this in relation to this particular thread? Of course there is room for criticism. Nobody made a problem of your point and Peter asked for further input from you, but instead you come up with this slightly off-topic reply. In this case, i and some others don't share your critique. That's the point of having an open discussion. If i would have agreed i would say so as well.

Having moved my current Processwire installation to a vanilla LAMP stack, the Responsive Images plugin is finally working! After testing it out and making it work with my picture gallery and maybe even the Lazyload plugin, I will come back with some feedback. I also might consider opening a new thread focussing on the plugin's latest features. Cheers, Stefan

Oh yes - Ryans post screams to be put on a subsite like processwire.com/philosophy.

Hehe. I must admit that some of my favourite brews right now are actually from the UK. But like my CMS preferences, they're from micro breweries and not the usual, obvious choices

The headline is fine - good strong copy and journalistic style. It is called "setting your stall out" and sets the scene for an article. And the gentleman is in the wonderful Dublin; the spelling of the word favourite is fine. Nice to see proper English even after all that Guinness/Murphy's....

Install page path history and rename with confidence.

Yeah, I appreciate Ryan's feedback, as well as the others. Although I may sound a bit locked in my own vision to some people, it all actually makes me rethink me own expectations about this system, and more important: my current and future situation and livelyhood. So thanks for making me have a small existential crisis, LOL BTW Personally I don't like Wordpress at all, so I don't hope anyone suspects me of being a Wordpress fan, heaven forbid. @Nico: Did your father use the default or the Argos backend?

This module may get put into the core. Not sure yet. But it does seem like something that may be useful to most PW installs, so seriously considering it once it's fully refined and has a few miles on it, etc. No need to worry – if you click it, the next screen tells you that it is a downgrade. Though it's perfectly fine to downgrade or upgrade between master and dev, unless using something that's only in dev. I've been doing it all week. This is consistent with how PW currently renders all system notices: at superuser login. If it's an error, it shows up red. Otherwise it shows up green. Upgrades to core or modules in PW aren't particularly important most of the time (since it isn't WordPress). It's more just an "FYI", "if you are looking for it" kind of thing. The info is always available in Setup > Upgrades. But I hear what you are saying and you aren't the first to say they tune out PW's green messages. Antti and I are working on a new notifications system and I expect we're going to do some great things there. This module will be one of a few we use to test the new notifications system. But until then I thought it best to keep consistent with the way PW currently does things with regard to system notices. So just wanted to mention there are some nice new things coming here, but for the overall system rather than just 1 module.

Also wanted to add this as a disclaimer for this forum: Any arrangement for work made via this board is a private contract between the individuals concerned. ProcessWire and Ryan Cramer / Ryan Cramer Design, LLC or any of its agents cannot be held responsible for the operation of that contract or any of the financial arrangements and will not get involved in any disputes under any circumstances. If it goes wrong for any reason, it should be sorted away from this community. Thanks to Joss for the suggestion and wording.

Posts like 144 should not fade away in the forum. Many already have. Summarizes and clarifies so much. Will find something.

Hi Dan, Sorry I don't have time to help at the moment, but just wanted to quickly drop you a line to let you know that there is some raw javascript appearing at the bottom of all pages on your website. Good luck finding some help.

When one war is over another one starts. There's no peace in this world pwired, everyone likes to see a new PW website come to public. The likes on the forum are not supposed to be an evaluation of the sites, we have the directory for that. And please let people give their opinion, just like you gave yours.

I like fish... Can you cook Ryan?

I know I'm even surprised that you wrote such a long post. Did I ever tell you that you should keep a regular blog?

Code before talk. With 2.5.0 released Friday, and 2.5.1 dev released today, there's been a lot of code.

Not sure if anybody else could have said that better in this objective way. <3

Whilst I have no experience with Craft I hear a lot of good things about it and I'm glad of your other two choices. Continue to buck the trend and not mention the "popular" ones

Only pirates can wear masts. And even then, it'd be pretty awkward.

I'm actually pretty jealous of your hair too amigo

Inspired by Pete's recent change to his avatar and due to all the revelations this last year about digital spying, I decided it was time to take action to hide my avatar's identity from the powers that be. Advising my avatar to don a mask seemed like a simple step he could take towards that goal. I'm glad others are starting to take an interest in their avatars' rights too.

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