pwired Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 German is more straight and precise different from english. Some german text on neuwaerts from felix made me understand some things more clear. One good example of that is how felix uses the word "Strukturelement" to explain pages in processwire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 As someone who spent years recording translations for corporate and TV productions I can say unequivocally that German is a beautiful, precise joy of a language. But WHY oh WHY is it so bleedin long!!!!! When translated properly (and we used the best translators around for spoken languages) it was regularly 30% or more longer than the English version. And to make things worse, because the subject and object can end up the other way around, if we had a very fast cut video, we could be saying the wrong thing in the wrong place, as it were. Not to mention that in German you at the end of the sentence the verb put! Why? Is it to build up tension or something??? The solution, if we had no elbow room, was to use shorter sentences, and simplify the script, though often at the expense of any poetry, sadly. Thankfully, we also had wonderful voice overs like the gentlemanly Wolf Kahler (a regular on the voice circuit) who with his glorious rolling R can turn even the most castrated German translation into gold! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwired Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 PW ist so verdammt gut, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiNNuT Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 PW ist geil! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Felix, it'd be great to find a way to get your articles in English versions too, perhaps published on your own site or here. I think there's a big audience that could benefit that might otherwise miss it due to not knowing German (and the imperfect Google translations). Though the same could be said for translating to any other language too, but I perceive ability to read English is a common element among most of our users. Though it does seem like most of our audience reads German too... I think I may be one of the few here that doesn't. Of course i will I might even translate the first article somewhen in the near future. Even if there are a large number of people who understand german here in the forums this might not be the case with the majority of people that are just using processwire without telling us about it. Or even worse (as you've mentioned): People who could be convinced using pw by these articles but don't understand them. We actually chose to do the blog in german because we didn't want to introduce barriers for our developers/writers to just write down stuff. It's much easier to write something in your mother tongue and maybe translate it later. We do all speak english and read english sources every day but writing professional articles is sometimes even hard to do in your own language. As someone who spent years recording translations for corporate and TV productions I can say unequivocally that German is a beautiful, precise joy of a language. But WHY oh WHY is it so bleedin long!!!!! When translated properly (and we used the best translators around for spoken languages) it was regularly 30% or more longer than the English version. And to make things worse, because the subject and object can end up the other way around, if we had a very fast cut video, we could be saying the wrong thing in the wrong place, as it were. Not to mention that in German you at the end of the sentence the verb put! Why? Is it to build up tension or something??? The solution, if we had no elbow room, was to use shorter sentences, and simplify the script, though often at the expense of any poetry, sadly. Wow: I believe that's really a hard job to do. As most germans only watch dubbed movies: Even if you've got the best actors a bad dub can ruin the whole movie. It happened quite often to me that most of the jokes and puns were lost if I watched a movie in german after seeing it in english before. BTW: My favorite language for breaking things in web development is finnish. Not only that it looks funny (sorry teppo ) but it's a pretty good test if your layout can handle lengthy words and the CMS a lot of "umlauts" PW ist so verdammt gut, Das ist verdammt noch mal wahr, alter! (That's damn true, dude!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totoff Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 A fantastic read, thanks Felix. I'ts good to see more developers with experience at enterprise level switching to PW. Provides us with better arguments when talking with clients. Funny remark about the English/German discussion: you use quite a lot english words (Anglizismen) where you need to be very precise ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 A nice small review in French http://comparatif-cms.fr/processwire-cms-pour-site-sur-mesure/ Merci Christophe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bravo Christophe! I am beginning to wonder whether I should write an article not so much about Processwire, but rather why professional sites should not be made using Wordpress. I have nothing against Wordpress - it is an extremely powerful and well supported blogging platform and it is a really great tool for the hobbiest or small company that wants to create their own website without using a developer - indeed, I use it for a couple of my own blogs (though more recent ones have been built with PW) But the other day, while researching competition for a client, I came across a professional website made by an "award winning developer," built on Wordpress. I will be nice and not post the site here. It was a perfectly acceptable website, except that it used a wordpress installation and a ton and a half of wordpress plugins. The list of style sheets and script that the template was resourcing was huge and there were three different versions of JQuery being accessed, The actual site was very simple, but some of the layout was a bit cock-eyed because the client had been editing his own site with the TInyMCE editor and messed up some of the images. The client's web site requirement had been shoe-horned into Wordpress, whether that was appropriate or not, and for me that is just plain wrong. When I compose music for someone's advert, I don't go through my files trying to find an old piece of music that more or less fits the clients brand, I start from scratch and write something that fits their brand, their name and their campaign properly. In the industry I come from, that is what is expected of me. To stretch an analogy to breaking point, Processwire is a piano that you can use to write any song you like. Wordpress is a pianola that can only play the tune that is punched out on the scroll. (And just in case you don't know what a Pianola is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_piano) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apeisa Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Processwire or ExpressionEngine? Looking for a change from MODx: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/201s3l/processwire_or_expressionengine_looking_for_a/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 He'll choose Craft, everyone go home, there's nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 That was my impression...but I read his sentence again: "It may well be our next CMS!" Who'll go out there and talk for PW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Tina, thanks for these https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-processwire-on-an-ubuntu-vps https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/migrating-a-processwire-website-to-an-ubuntu-vps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 http://ngo-hung.com/blog/2014/03/21/so-many-php-frameworks Hm, not the best that can be told about ProcessWire on this post. But being cute is nice, i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about....I did all I could to restrain myself from responding.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Geerts Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He's obviously to quick with conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about....I did all I could to restrain myself from responding.... Ah, I didn't quite manage that ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'm not sure which bit ticked me off more: 1. bad to extend with modules and functionalities2. It is also not very object oriented 3. It does not have an ORM but offers a way to do query for custom fields/content blocks using a jQuery like syntax 1. Really...seriously?2. All of PW is classes [OOP]. What does this mean ->3. Please... And why would we want this? If ProcessWire is rewritten with one of the popular frameworks, it would be really great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yes, lets take a mean, lean, programming machine and make it all fat and podgy by stuffing it with another framework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 And his reply: http://ngo-hung.com/blog/2014/03/21/so-many-php-frameworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 This sums it up for me...'nuff said! Anyways, I am not that familiar with Processwire. Just some thoughts. Just take it with a pinch of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 http://www.quora.com/WordPress/How-does-Processwire-compare-to-Wordpress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 These guys really have balls to write something they have no clue about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred62 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 These guys really have balls to write something they have no clue about. it's only a virtual comparison like "who has the longest xxxxxx" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 This time I was the one who couldn't refrain from commenting http://qr.ae/vX10p edit: but I see I'm not the only one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 *whistle whistle whistle* I think I probably ought to go out and walk the dog or something ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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