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Looks like a war has started between Silverstripe and Processwire on tech wars. Time to rally the troops. . Processwire vs Silverstripe

That is an interesting thought since there have been times when I have wanted to discuss something client related as well that I didn't want to display publicly. As well I have noticed Processwire posts seem to get ranked on google pretty quickly these days(within minutes sometimes). Maybe 200+ post might be a is a bit excessive before being able to join such a private forum but on the plus side it might give others more incentive to get more involved in the forum before being entered into the Private Pub elite.

I used cms made simple before moving to Processwire. So happy to say goodbye to smarty.

I am not sure if all modules or plugins will ever be completely 100% secure. Someone correct me if I am wrong as I am not an authority on security. Can we really say that the vulnerabilities found out in some Wordpress plugins won't be found in Processwire sometime in the future with or without checks when Processwire becomes more of a target like Wordpress currently is? The plugin in question for Wordpress is a big plugin with 100 thousand plus installations and I am sure that as many checks as possible were made with it(but obviously not enough). The way I see it is that bugs happen and mistakes will always happen as long as humans run the show.

In the UK there is something called VATMOSS (VAT Mini One Stop Shop) for businesses in the UK and non-union VAT MOSS scheme (for non EU businesses) which simplifies things meaning that a business would only need to register for VATMOSS or non union VATMOSS instead of registering in each EU country. The following is from HMRC regarding VAT MOSS: 'You can submit a single calendar quarterly return and VAT payment to HMRC, who will send the appropriate information and payment to each relevant member state’s tax authority.' From what I see all that would be needed is some way to extract the relevant sales information needed to make the MOSS VAT report.

As a guide or helper of features that would be needed for a module to comply with the EU vat law I found a Wordpress plugin for woocommerce that seems to tick all the boxes. https://wordpress.org/plugins/woocommerce-eu-vat-compliance/ Also found a European Vat number validation API http://isvat.appspot.com/

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It affects all EU countries. There is a discussion on this forum here about it and quite a few links. From what I know and there is still a lot of confusion about this, the shop will have to detect if the buyer is inside the EU and if so which country he is from and work out the correct tax to add for that country or region(the rate of vat will be according to the purchasers country). This will only apply if it is a business to consumer transaction. 2 forms of proof will need to be collected to show this such as IP address. If it is a business to business transaction then I think a vat number or proof needs to be collected from the buyer to prove that it is a business that is purchasing and then the VAT should be omitted.

Regarding support for tax classes: Will that include being able to deal with the new euro vat rules for digital services?

Soma, Just trying out your module. Looks great. After playing around with it for a while I noticed a few issues and some things that are shown in the demo but don't appear to work for me. I am using Processwire 2.5.3 and found the following issues 1. Modal window doesn't open up when editing an image as shown in the screencast. 2. Small thumbnail images are not shown on the page tree as shown in screencast 3. The Drag and top doesn't work for uploading images

I don't know what it is but websites always looks cool in Russian language.

@claus In what way is your developer extending the existing shopping cart?

Is this still being updated? If not I will try to get this translated.

@radek Have you updated this for Processwire 2.5?

Many members of the community create modules that are very helpful for me and others and offer great support for these modules. We can offer our appreciation with a thanks in a forum post etc.. which is great and gives a feel good factor.. but to create and support modules can take a great deal of time and energy and with this in mind I was thinking how it would be nice if we could show our appreciation by having the opportunity donate beer money to authors of modules that we use. How about if a donate button is displayed on each module page so that donations could be made to the author of the module?

I am sure others would be willing to contribute to this project/module if you released it and would be happy with that dependent in which form you want to release it(closed or open project). Not sure if you know but there was a discussion here about putting together an active “Shop Development Group” if you would be open to something like that. If you release early bird, I promise not to ask support from you.

Judging by the lack of response from apesia here it appears that he wants to be left alone as far as this module goes at the moment. Maybe best for us to let off with the pressure as I am sure he will surprise us with an update when he is ready.

Looks great..I can't wait to try it.

@macura I have the same experience. Also most clients shop around as well and see the lower prices offered by the competition. Price is often the number one factor for them. By the way I think Seth Godin is great. For me the terms custom / bespoke are ever more confusing and this makes things ever more complex dealing with the competition and differentiating myself from the competition with my price structure. Most agencies / web designers from what my research shows are using the term custom design to describe a part modified / customized template / theme. If I use the term custom design and design the site from scratch and give a quote for a project, then the client looks around and finds others that claim to build a custom design website(modified template) for a quarter of the price then that puts me in a difficult position. I also don't want to go down the road of slagging off the competition to my clients. Maybe it is about time that new terms were used in web design to properly differentiate what is being offered to the clients. For me separating the terms custom and bespoke with an explanation of what each of these actually mean seems to make sense in today's world of web design and very helpful to show what the competition is actually offering.

I selected the companies through several sources such as search engines and yell.com and all web designers / agencies local to me from South west england to south wales including cardiff and other scattered areas of the UK. Some of my research also included US companies including a larger range around the Chicago area. There is a similar pattern. Yes, many of them were Wordpress themes which are much easier to work out if they are built from a theme or not. Many of those that use themes / templates are quite large companies and the description is most often custom design. They often purchase packages such as woothemes for wordpress with a variety of themes to choose from or of course use themes from themeforest It really seems to be common practice and just looking around at the prices there is no other way that they could charge such a low price than to use a theme or template as a base. This is the reality I am finding that I am coming up against. The thing is these themes / templates are quite impressive and very customisable so they don't always look the same so can in a sense can become more of a real custom theme. I have asked around recently to quite a few people and most reply me the same with that they don't mind that if it is based on a template as long as it works, looks good and does the job. I was thinking the same way and still do in a way but my perception of what custom means is starting to change slightly but the term Custom does seem to be often loosely or cleverly used and this is where confusion comes in and whereby the separating of the terms custom and bespoke seems to make sense and is already being applied by web designers and agencies even if in one way they seem to be the same thing. There is also a thin line sometimes between what is a totally original piece of work or a rearranged template or collected design elements from a framework. Thinking about it now, I suppose how many people buy a totally uniquely designed car? Maybe change the colour, leather seats, some changes in the interior etc...becomes customised. Custom BMW My friend purchased a custom camper. Pretty much the same as the others with a few modifications and furniture moved around to specifications. 'Custom Camper'. Looking up the terms bespoke and custom I found the following on one blog custom menswear and trends : Bespoke It means a suit that has “been spoken for”. Bespoke is when one tailor creates a suit from scratch for one person. This usually takes multiple fittings as the pattern is drafted directly on the person. This art arises from Savile Row (UK) and is the most traditional way a suit is made. Custom Made is a very forgiving term that can be used to describe anything that has been tweaked to fit you based on your measurements and style options. When this term is used, it can mean a variety of things or a combination of methods. The above seems to be the way that most agencies from what I have seen are using the terms. I found one website that offers customised websites(Powerful Custom Website) & Bespoke Websites with 2 different descriptions of what they are explained quite clearly. Links to the pages below: Custom Design Bespoke web design As he shows on his website, the designs can look quite different. I think he is using designmodo, which just looking has a black Friday 70% off sale I think that things are moving so fast that templates and themes are combining into all in one theme/template/frameworks. Many wordpress & bootstrap theme/templates come with many elements & components that can be moved and changed to make a more customised website. I think that the lines are getting increasingly blurred between what is custom, bespoke or just rearranging some elements / components and colours on a page to suit the clients specifications. just edited the links above as they were pointing to wrong page.

I have been doing some research recently on a whole bunch of web design agencies around the UK to try and bring myself up to date with latest prices, practices and offerings from the competition. The results from my research show that at least 75 percent of the web design companies don't actually design any websites from scratch or barely design them at all. This percentage of 75 percent came from the sites they built that I could actually see were using templates or themes by various means by looking at their code or name of wordpress theme etc.., so the percentage of websites actually built from templates or themes could be much higher. This kind of shook me a little and made me realise how these agencies can offer such low prices. Something I have been struggling to do. One of the main things that stood out for me was that these web designers / agencies were calling their service 'Custom design'. That got me thinking what does it actually mean custom design? Then I noticed that a few of the agencies that were actually creating their designs from scratch often only named their service 'Bespoke design'. So I asked myself a few questions: What is the difference between custom and bespoke design and do clients really care? My experience has shown me that most clients don't seem to care any more if their website is built from a template/theme or not. Is it correct to call a customised template(adapted for the client) a 'custom design'? Where do you draw the line or difference between a custom and Bespoke design? In this fast changing world of web development I know we need to adapt or die and I now see that templates will have to play a much larger part in my work going forward if I am going to survive and compete with others as building and designing a bespoke design(from scratch) takes much longer than my current potential clients seem willing to pay.

I think most of us here know about apeisa's new shop module that he is working on and good luck to him. The only thing I can say is that it doesn't look like a community project but appears to be a private enterprise as it is in 'closed beta testing' and has a price tag on it. I have no problem with that and might purchase it myself if it is what I need but it would be great to get an open source working project out there that we can all work on and contribute together a bit like virtualmart for joomla even though I know it is a mammoth task.

Yes, I am using the new opencart 2.0. Seems to be super fast. I prefer it to prestashop or any others I have tried. I wonder if it is possible to integrate opencart and processwire in some way.

I stayed off facebook for 3 years until I had to submit to it again as many people I know would only communicate through facebook. Even though I did close my facebook acount I discovered that it never actually got deleted. It appears that facebook never actually delete your account but just mark it as sleeping. If you want to awake into the facebook world again it is just a matter of signing back in and the account is reactivated.

I know what you mean with woocommerce but I still think it was well thought out especially since it had to be built within the limitations of Wordpress though if woocommerce was available for processwire I woudn't complain. Updates updates....How many minutes, hours or days of a wordpress users life are wasted on updates? Still Wordpress developers don't seem to mind as this gives them a great way to charge their clients for the extra site maintenance.