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Good summary Joss. I totally know what you mean, my default was always to go very early into code, to see how things work and iterate extensively until it works right. If you're looking at Adobe products, Fireworks really is the one that is best for web. Much faster than Photoshop and uses both vectors and bitmaps comfortably. Unfortunately Adobe will be dropping it in the near future but that shouldn't affect using it for the next few years or so. Edge Reflow does look good but it's not quite there yet. The sharing with clients and getting feedback part is interesting though. It's a process that can feel very manual at times and moving it forward in a modern way seems logical.

Had a couple of quieter days last week and decided to take a deeper look at some new software out there for designing mockups/prototypes. Some of them I was familiar with, others less so. http://www.balasamiq.com http://www.moqups.com http://www.uxpin.com http://www.axure.com/ http://www.wireframe.cc http://www.easel.io The one that I personally find most promising was UX Pin. It seems to be relatively simple to use and yet has a wider array of stencils to use for quick prototyping. Some of these tools have quite a focus on CSS fidelity, others are just tools to sketch with. Some are purposefully low-fidelity (Balsamiq, Moqups) while others you could theoretically use to build out a whole design, complete with animations and interactions. I'm interested how some of you guys are building nowadays? Do you still stick regimentally to the full design in a PS/FW or do you have a more iterative process? Another feature of a lot of these apps is presenting for clients and there are some apps which do just this: http://www.invisionapp.com This can offer a more favourable approach than just emailing a PDF or even pointing at one face-to-face on a screen. Have any of you used any of these and what were your experiences?

I tried Cubby and many others too. I found DropBox to be easily the fastest and most reliable of the services. The problem with the computer-to-computer ones is like Diogo said, the computers having to both be on at the same time which sort of renders it redundant in my eyes. The revisions on Dropbox have saved our bacon many times (you can ask Diogo and he was a big sceptic)

Sublime Text is one of those programs where I really do genuinely wonder how it could be any better. I guess some of the new features of Brackets are nice but the actual base of ST is lightning fast and practical. I'm always tempted to look elsewhere though, that's just because of my love of software though I guess.

I like being verbose! If this { do that } or else { do this } or if not { do this } ok go on then { do this instead } Much cleaner

Brackets always excites me with its features but when I try it it's painfully slow and unusable.

2-2, keeps everyone happy

Hi Nikola, Not sure if this has come up before but the top save button doesn't affect any changes on my version of Ergo. (button#save_submit_copy)

Hiya Joss, I haven't checked out Foundation 5 yet but I have a large preference for Foundation over Bootstrap simply because their grid is far better. I'm presuming this is the main reason you have for using them. As others say, don't rule out building from scratch or using a lighter grid framework but of the two you mention, it's Foundation for me.

Just want to add that I think that this sort of thing should take the form of a module for sure. It's much better to start lean and add things later. This should be seen as a preference and it would be an annoyance to those (me, included) who wouldn't have a need for it. I think it's a perfect example for what a module should do. For example check out Teppo's excellent "Changelog" module.

Hi Peter, Welcome to PW! I apologise as I am a bit tight on time here but needless to say this all sounds very do-able in PW. There are many different ways of going about it however. One such way is, as you say, to use the in-built users. My personal advice would be to create pages for your users. You could always tie them to user groups (other pages) through page reference fields. Each "cyclist" template could have the necessary fields (distance, groups etc). In terms of updating the statistics, it depends really though my preference would be to create "front-end forms" (create your own forms using ProcessWire's API) then you may create forms such as "Add Bike Ride" whereby you could choose who has completed it, how far it was... And then have control over what happens to the data. This could also be achieved by creating your own module and still using the admin side to add data. It's quite to hard to explain this and sometimes the best way is to try it out in a small way, then we can give you pointers as you go. If you do some searching of the forum you will see there have been quite a few similar projects

Come on Diogo, you know you want to

Thanks for this Ryan

Cheers Marty, have been doing this online until now...

Not really a specific type of music but very much enjoy using Rdio to pretty much stream music all day long. Works very well across multiple devices and you can even use it on one device as a remote control.

Woohoo! So many new features, there's not even time to announce them

Coming across this need today, may be a nice feature for the core.

Thanks both and Joss, you 'aint heard me sing mate...

Thanks guys for pointing that out, we hadn't noticed that in FF on our last check.

Thanks guys for all your feedback guys Yeah I guess this is almost like a PW marriage! Maybe a new sub-forum Ryan? On a serious note, I'm really pleased to be working with Diogo and Erika, we just have some work to do to get across to clients who we are and how we work.

Hey all, just wanted to share with you the new Milktop website http://www.milktop.co.uk/ (powered by PW of course). This comes to life as the result of merging Milktop with ED DESIGN ( the design company of Diogo, who you all know and love and his partner Erika, a fantastic graphic designer). It's been great to work with this new team, and we hope that you guys will like the website as much as we have enjoyed creating it A few notes on how we accomplished some things: For the grid we used Bourbon Neat. We wanted to try out this framework since it doesn't make impact at all on the markup. We're pretty happy with the result, but in the end we feel like we didn't save that much time by using it than if we would have used simple SASS variables or created our own mixins. For the icons we used Fontello. This is great because it allows you to create a new font with your own set of icons from several sources, and even add some custom built icons by importing a SVG drawing. One advantage is that the final font only has the icons that you put there, which makes it a very small download. We decided to use large images to display our work in the best way possible, but we're serving smaller images for smaller screens. We do this by serving the smaller size by default and swapping the image for a larger version by measuring the container element : <img data-large="<?php echo $img->url; ?>" src="<?php echo $img->width(400)->url; ?>"> For speed we are using the excellent ProCache module by Ryan For publishing automatically to Twitter and Facebook we plan to (not done yet) publish a RSS feed with Ryan's RSS module and use IFFFT to pull it into both social networks. If you don't know IFFFT, you should definitely check it out. A final detail, our logo is designed in HTML and CSS Hope you guys like it and thanks again to the great ProcessWire community without whom this collaboration would never have happened. Have a great evening.

You make some great points Ryan. I'll admit to being someone who is/has been in the past, enticed by some of the nice UI of systems like Craft (or SquareSpace) but more and more I see them as tools for the hobbyist, whereas Processwire has always been a tool for developers and designers. Thanks to Processwire we have far more control over the data and structure of the sites we create and this is one very important asset when competing with tools which make it easier and easier for people to "build their own" sites (and put us all out of business )

There is a great post (I think of Matthew's somewhere) where he goes on a big rant about Joomla, that would be a good a start. No custom fields Very poor security track record Bloated code Nightmare to template with

Proofhub? Again?!

That's sensational Ryan!