NooseLadder Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Just received the nominees for the Critic's Choice CMS Awards. Processwire is in the 'Best Free PHP CMS' category. I was surprised that it is not in the 'Best Open Source Category'. You can vote now. Here are the nominees in each category: Best Cloud CMS for SMB Surreal CMS Acquia Cloud Light CMS Best Cloud CMS for Enterprise Acquia Cloud CrownPeak Clickability Best CMS for Corporate Intranets Entando Liferay ocPortal Best eCommerce Solution for SMB ASPx Commerce Prestashop Shopify Best eCommerce Solution for Enterprise BigCommerce Prestashop Shopify Best Free Forum Solution NodeBB MyBB Vanilla Forums Best Commercial Forum Solution IP.Board Ninja Post Vanilla Forums Best Enterprise PHP CMS eZ Publish Plone Typo 3 Best Enterprise Java CMS Adobe AEM Hippo Jahia Best Enterprise .NET CMS Kentico Sitecore Sitefinity Best Enterprise CMS (Other Langs) Mura CMS Paperthin Commonspot Plone Best Free PHP CMS Concrete5 Joomla ProcessWire Best Free Java CMS dotCMS Liferay Magnolia Best Free .NET CMS DNN Platform Sageframe Umbraco Best Free CMS (Other Langs) Mura CMS Plone Best Open Source PHP CMS eZ Publish Joomla! MODx Best Open Source Java CMS dotCMS Liferay Magnolia Best Open Source .NET CMS DNN Evoq Content Sageframe Umbraco Best Open Source CMS (Other Langs) Mura CMS Plone Best Small to Midsize Business PHP CMS CMS Made Simple Craft CMS ImpressPages Best Small to Midsize Business Java CMS Percussion CM1 Liferay Best Small to Midsize Business .NET CMS DNN Evoq Content Envisage CMS Orchard Best Small to Midsize Business CMS (Other Langs) Django CMS Movable Type Surreal CMS Best Website Builder Squarespace Weebly Wix EDIT: Irrelevant links removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apeisa Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I have hard time understanding difference between free and open source here. I know the difference, but all the "best free php cms" are open source too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwired Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Free as in free beer ? Voted PW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Greetings, I really like the idea of this annual competition. But I am not pleased with the way CMS Critic is handling it this year. 1. Offering a free Chromebook, then requiring people to vote in all categories, will ruin the results. Obviously, many people will vote on systems they don't know just to complete the survey. 2. The voting system often hangs up or freezes on mobile (iPad Air in my case). 3. As Apeisa mentioned above, some categories are vague (e.g., "free" vs "open source"). 4. The number of eligible systems is rather unimpressive. I love ProcessWire, but winning doesn't mean much if it is only competing against 2 other systems. I think the idea of the CMS Critic Awards is terrific, and I would love to see CMS Critic gain an even bigger audience. But they are going in the wrong direction here. Thanks, Matthew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 .... 4. The number of eligible systems is rather unimpressive. I love ProcessWire, but winning doesn't mean much if it is only competing against 2 other systems.. Matthew , Isn't it the case that the 3 per category are those that won nominations in their categories? i.e. they've won in the 'primaries' so have already competed against other systems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Matthew , Isn't it the case that the 3 per category are those that won nominations in their categories? i.e. they've won in the 'primaries' so have already competed against other systems Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apeisa Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 1. Offering a free Chromebook, then requiring people to vote in all categories, will ruin the results. Obviously, many people will vote on systems they don't know just to complete the survey. No need to vote in all categories. I voted in only one. I agree about the form - it was horrible, even with desktop browser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NooseLadder Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's right you don't need to complete all categories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You don't need to unless you want to apply to win a Chromebook, and unfortunately they might convince a lot of people to do blind voting. The eager to get more and more people to vote might lead to less accurate result in the end. I also didn't like the "keyboard friendly" form. And I think and I think that, joining to the Chromebook problem that I referred, the result will be: 1. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances 2. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances 3. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances and so on... I don't remember how PW was positioned, so I don't know what are the chances we have 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onjegolders Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Did Joomla! make some sort of incredible change of direction and become a great tool or is this plain ridiculous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Did Joomla! make some sort of incredible change of direction and become a great tool or is this plain ridiculous? People's choice my friend, people's choice [number of nominations received] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blad Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Is Joomla better than Processwire? Is Justin Bieber better than Freddie Mercury? I can´t vote because I don´t have finished any of the sites I am creating in processwire. edit : I can vote A few days ago I couldn´t. Edited August 19, 2014 by blad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Is Justin Bieber better than Freddie Mercury? No. I can only answer to that one 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blad Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Based on objetive data: Size and number of files: Best Small to Midsize Business PHP CMS: Processwire 2.4 Tree menu: Pages Setup - Fields - Templates Modules - Site - Core - Install Access - Users - Roles - Permissions Account - Info - Logout Joomla 3.3 Tree menu: System Control Panel Global Configuration Global Check-in Clear Cache Purge Expired Cache System Information Users User Manager Add New User Groups Add New Group Access Levels Add New Access Level User Notes Add User Note User Note Categories Add New Category Mass Mail Users Menus Menu Manager Add New Menu Main Menu Add New Menu Item User Menu Add New Menu Item Content Article Manager Add New Article Category Manager Add New Category Featured Articles Media Manager Components Banners Banners Categories Clients Tracks Contacts Contacts Categories Joomla! Update Messaging New Private Message Read Private Messages Newsfeeds Feeds Categories Post-installation Messages Redirect Search Smart Search Tags Weblinks Links Categories jce wf-menu-config wf-menu-profiles wf-menu-install Extensions Extension Manager Module Manager Plugin Manager Template Manager Language Manager Help Joomla! Help Official Support Forum Documentation Wiki Joomla! Extensions Joomla! Translations Joomla! Resources Community Portal Security Center Developer Resources Joomla! Shop Edited August 19, 2014 by blad 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Greetings, If you don't need to complete all the categories to compete for the Chromebook, then the instructions are false. They clearly state that you need to complete everything to win. Clearly, this will skew results with "blind voting," as Diogo said. Matthew , Isn't it the case that the 3 per category are those that won nominations in their categories? i.e. they've won in the 'primaries' so have already competed against other systems I'm not doubting how they ended up with 3. It's just not very useful to have a "best free CMS" category with 3 CMSs! What do the results tell us about anything? Another question: why is Joomla listed as a "free" CMS and also as an "open source" CMS? Shouldn't all 3 be listed twice? Also, why is there a category for "Best Small to Midsize Business PHP CMS"? How in the world did they make that determination? And why is there no "Best Large Business PHP CMS"? Thanks, Matthew 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reems Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He Blad, nice comparison. I just voted.....Processwire afcourse and nothing else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blad Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He Blad, nice comparison. I just voted.....Processwire afcourse and nothing else Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongondo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 At the end of the day, when it comes to public voting, I think such contests are really judging assessing popularity rather than 'best in its class' which is a rather more difficult and nuanced concept to assess. So if 10 people like/vote for Joomla and 2 like/vote for ProcessWire, does it mean that Joomla is 'better' than ProcessWire? Not necessarily. Does it mean that Joomla is more popular than ProcessWire? Probably. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NooseLadder Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 You don't need to unless you want to apply to win a Chromebook, and unfortunately they might convince a lot of people to do blind voting. The eager to get more and more people to vote might lead to less accurate result in the end. I also didn't like the "keyboard friendly" form. And I think and I think that, joining to the Chromebook problem that I referred, the result will be: 1. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances 2. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances 3. A. CMS with great chances B. CMS with no chance C. CMS with little chances and so on... I don't remember how PW was positioned, so I don't know what are the chances we have Unfortunately with your categorisation, Processwire was listed c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NooseLadder Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 And remember that Critics Choice website is Powered by Processwire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Matthew - The categories were whittled down from larger numbers of systems, as voted for by people visiting and clicking, so this still applies: https://processwire.com/talk/topic/7328-critics-choice-cms-awards/?p=70570 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NooseLadder Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just received the latest voting update: Best Free PHP CMS Joomla - 64% Concrete5 - 22% ProcessWire - 15% Popularity vs best !!! Hopefully some more of our community can make a difference? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Greetings, I happen to still be connected to a private forum for the biggest Joomla CCK (I maintain a couple of legacy Joomla projects), and they put on a push for people to vote. But this is predictable. It's a problem that there are only three choices for a large generalized category like "Best Free CMS." I think CMS Criric needs to take a fresh look at the whole nomination process. Thanks, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 But this form has been reduced from all the nominations in the early stages Matthew where people were free to nominate whoever they liked. The list of 3 is from the most nominated in that category as I understand it, otherwise the list would be massive. There's possibly some merit in just having it as a single process - vote for whoever you like with no shortlist stage, but the form would be so long people wouldn't bother filling it out in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Greetings, I don't doubt that the three choices are the result of a legitimate nomination process. I'm saying that if that process leads to only three choices for "Best Free CMS" it's not a very useful contest. In general, one of the problems I see in the CMS world is that systems like ProcessWire and Joomla/Drupal/WordPress are constantly put into the same category, when they are essentially different types of systems. And since CMS Critic has a mission of exploring the complexities of the CMS world, I think they should embrace their role as an analyst of CMS choices, and focus on articles exploring the dimensions of the CMS world. Contests like this just add confusion and misunderstanding. EDIT: I don't see how grouping CMSs based on whether they are "free" is generally useful. Why not group them according to logo color theme? Thanks, Matthew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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