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Do you get paid for the sites that you would with PW? When you come to the forums to get help, do you limit your questions purely to development work that you are doing for free? I originally developed PW to help us all create better sites in less time, and with more fun. I'm hoping that PW is helping others to be more competitive in all ways, including financially. But recognize that PW did not come into existence on its own. Years worth of time and money has gone into making ProcessWire happen. If you are using ProcessWire to develop sites you get paid for, then you are profiting from ProcessWire. And that's fine with me, no ROI is expected or wanted--I've never asked anyone for anything. But it is disheartening to hear a user make a statement with the implications yours makes. Form Builder is not about making a profit. I don't expect that I will ever make enough on it to offset the actual time investment on it. My hope is that eventually it will be something where the community and myself have split the cost to create. If I wanted a profit, I would go make a Form Builder for WordPress or Drupal where the user base is large enough for that potential to exist. Form Builder is a tool that wouldn't exist if I had to fully self fund it. It's also an experiment to determine if I can reduce my client workload and substitute some of it with ProcessWire-related development that benefits all of us. But I can't substitute something that supports my family with something that doesn't. Form Builder is here to benefit you, not me. If you build sites for a living (or even a hobby) it's going to pay for itself the first time you use it. If you previously spent half a day building a form, now you can spend minutes and get a better, more secure and capable result that can do all sorts of things with the results it collects. Also want to note that Form Builder is something completely different from the original subject of this thread and I don't view them as similar products at all. Likewise, Form Builder is completely different from something like Zend Form or others like it. One does not preclude the use of the other and we should all keep more than one tool in our forms toolbox. I fully support Clinton's project and any others that benefit forms in ProcessWire. Forms are one of the most diverse and important aspects of web development. I feel very confident about the value of Form Builder in your toolbox, so have made it 100% refundable if you find it isn't for you (this type of return policy is pretty rare with digital products).

Thanks to Ryan, I've managed to knock my next module into usable shape. The URL Shortener adds a link shortening feature to ProcessWire, so you can host your own short URL service from a PW site now. You can create as many bins for short links as you need & the module sets up an example bin when you install it. Each bin is a PW page that uses the LinkShortenerHome template. This template allows you to set the length of the shortened links that will reside in it. Shortened links are simply child pages that automatically use the LinkShortener template. As these links are normal PW pages you can manipulate them from the admin page tree just like any other page. Anytime you create a new short-link page in any of your bins, it will automatically be named with a random string that is not already in use in that bin. You get the chance to review this short string before adding the full URL and saving the page. Once the page is saved any visit to the short link's URL will be redirected to the full URL.

My third ProcessWire website was released today For a German therapist. Very simple and easy to build. Thanks to PW of course

I think it was 1999. Then as we reached 2000 and nothing happened, someone did the calculation again and found it really was 2012. But in case we reach 2013 safe, they are already working on refining their parameters to get a new estimation ASAP.

good idea apeisa, i will try something like that. if there is a finishing touch people will have no doubts.

I actually got it and felt it like a nice touch (the scrolling at the end). Maybe it could reveal little surprise, like handwritten "Welcome" and arrow to the door would be nice touch there?

Hmm that's a good question, I've not tried to do that before. Though as a general thing, I think it's good for a module to uninstall everything that it installs. Is there a situation where you think someone uninstalling would want to leave those things there? If there is, then it might be better to take the strategy of uninstalling nothing and just include manual uninstall documentation. But if you think it's worthwhile to have something more, I'll keep thinking here. Right now I don't know how we'd set this up exactly, but I'm sure there's a way.

Yes, that did it, thank-you Ryan! That will make installing the URL shortening module much easier.

Sorry there was a typo in my previous code, and I'm pretty sure that's why it didn't work. You want to use getField() rather than get(). $ls_fieldgroup->getField('title', true); The reason for this is that getField() can return a field in context but get() can't (as it only has 1 argument).

Try this: $title = $ls_fieldgroup->get('title', true); $title->collapsed = Inputfield::collapsedHidden; wire('fields')->saveFieldgroupContext($title, $ls_fieldgroup); I could probably make this simpler from the API perspective (to work more like your code example), but only you and I have needed this capability so far.

That Nobel prize is confirmed to be a joke now. Rewarding Obama was already strange but this !? As lot of people pointed, we *are* in war in Europe, an economic and social war. (Also, did everybody forget about (now ex-)Yugoslavia already ?)

http://cafe-am-markt-heidenheim.de/start/ The next page we converted to Processwire. Our (oldest) client can now simple change her content without learing HTML or a huge CMS.

@ClintonSkakun, thankyou for posting. @AnotherAndrew, ryan is helping users whenever he can. Sometimes I think there are 2 of them. There's a lot of time spend on building the cms, community & modules. PW without formbuilder is fantastic on its own. You don't have to use it. It's good that there are more possibilities. For me buying formbuilder is next to the usefulness also a way to say thank you to ryan.

I would help to because I need a shopping solution for a german client too