MatthewSchenker Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Greetings, I am also building a couple of e-commerce sites. In the perfect world, I would prefer a 100% ProcessWire e-commerce solution. However, with all the regulations and security issues surrounding e-commerce, I think it's best to use a service like Shopify or FoxyCart for the sensitive stuff. The goal, I believe, is to use ProcessWire for all the product information and site development, then offload credit-card transactions when they come into play. Essentially, I think the discussion is around a system that can pick up where ProcessWire leaves off. Very curious about other opinions. Thanks, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apeisa Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Not familiar with PCI compliance, but at least in my understanding as long as you don't collect and/or store credit card information you are on the safe side already. No need to have whole store on 3rd party, just from the point when credit card details (or other payment details) are collected and processed. This of course adds one more step for client (moving to other service for payment), but you can stay away from collecting sensible information. What comes to your needs: I think you should at least try my ecommerce module for it. It already has support for adding payment methods, but also support for additional shipping methods (you could create your own which calculates the shipping cost based on ZIP code). So definitely good fit for PW ecommerce in my opinion. https://www.braintreepayments.com/tour/pci-compliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetuningspoon Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Okay, I will give it a shot and have OpenCart as a fallback in case I can't get it working satisfactorily in time. It seems like the Braintree integration would be as simple as adding their form to the checkout template file in PW, leaving the zip code module as the biggest hurdle. Apeisa, do you have any time to work on this / serve as support? Like I said, I do have at least some money that I could throw at it. Send me a PM if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 @apeisa Yes, as far as I know you are right - the regulations only come into force if you are storing card data. I ought to have a look at your module, me thinks! Joss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Greetings, Yes, as others have said, the rules apply to how credit card data can be stored. But that's enough! Anyone who reads the potential penalties for failing to implement this the right way should be properly frightened enough to offload the sensitive stuff to a third party for that portion of the work. With that said, I want to use ProcessWire for as much of the e-commerce process as possible. I only want to offload the least number of steps. It would be terrific to learn more about how different people are successfully handling the whole e-commerce process in ProcessWire. Thanks, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I remember playing with Antti's module a while back and it works well from my limited time with it. I actually wish for one job that is now an uber-customised Lemonstand installation that I had put some time into working with this module, but there were time constraints and I didn't know as much then as I do now about ProcessWire and modules. From what I've seen though even a PayPal module should just be a case of a few hours' work and you get some neat benefits with ProcessWire of being able to make any page a product etc etc. I think at one point someone was working on a profile for it that made the default layout look more like a shop and it looked really impressive - I just can't find the link on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 ooh - Bootstrap is really good for that sort of thing. I may go and play. (Er, after I do all the other things on my growing list of "playing with ProcessWire" items.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Here's the topic I was talking about where Luis was working on a profile: http://processwire.com/talk/topic/1732-shop-for-processwire-apeisa/?fromsearch=1Unfortunately the link seems dead, but from memory it was quite far along Joss so it might be an idea to ask Luis for a screenshot. I thought it was extremely promising in that it was almost ready in terms of how it looked, so if it can become a community effort then we might get one profile ticked off very quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 That would be nice! Just thinking aloud here: ShopWire? Goes nicely with: BlogWire BusinessWire IntraWire NewsWire (oops, pun) FanWire and then the frameworks: BootWire FoundationWire etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Bless Google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TUGVrtwwgcoJ:process.besser-landen.de/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Well caught! I am taking a slightly different approach, using this as a basis: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/examples/carousel.html Except I will replace the bootstrap carousel with a parallax system I have been messing with: http://pwdemo1.stonywebsites.co.uk/ And .... Well, not sure after that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Joss, think about a starting point. If you provide a site profile with too much options out of the box you make it hard for beginners to handle the system. If you want to show whats possible just do a demo profile. You set up a profile with bootstrap, for a non bootstrap user it takes some time to get familiar with, keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 You set up a profile with bootstrap, for a non bootstrap user it takes some time to get familiar with, keep that in mind. Hi Luis - that kind of works both directions. I am tending to default to bootstrap at the moment as I am also trying to get my head round what is possible. Also, to be fair, I am not good enough that I would be very happy with something I did being pushed as a perfect solution - more of a rather rough starting point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Just trying to share my experiences in shops, which are my core business. The first thing I usually do the first time I´m testing a new shop system is looking into the template code. I created a Shop mid last year with OpenCart and it tooked me long to understand what happend in the "starting" template. The problem is, that the devs wanna show how good the Shop could look and forget about form follows function in most cases. So for my 0,02€ (Yes Euro Cents ) try to keep the design approach as simple as possible. Just the ProWi way, give the user the tools but not the markup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah, I agree with that. I was playing with both OpenCart and Magento last year and the templating system was bewildering - I could not get my head around have the two sides of it in completely different parts of the directory tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I found Lemonstand is a bit easier to understand from a templating point of view, but with any of these systems it's bewildering as Joss says - especially compared to the E-commerce module Antti has made where you build your site as normal with the visitor in mind and then simply add one field to a page to make it a product. I know that's a shorter version of how it actually works, but it is MUCH easier and you're focusing on getting it right rather than wasting time on learning another system and wrapping your head around yet another templating system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joss Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Oh, glad you put that explanation - I hadnt gotten as far as working that out. For the moment, I am almost ignoring the module and just putting together a simple catalogue with some listing options. It will use includes for the specific bits of the layout so they can be replaced/changed easily. Or it will end up on the floor as a slightly sticky mess - one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Has anyone used paymill? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewSchenker Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Greetings, Thanks diogo... That looks really good. I will test it out soon. I am very interested in systems that allow us to tie into our ProcessWire installation just at the shopping cart/checkout phase. Thanks, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Has anyone used paymill? Hey diogo, great minds think alike as I was looking at this earlier. In fact, I installed Antti's shopping cart module about an hour ago as well and was tinkering with that in some detail for the first time so I'm keen to see ho easy it is to whip up a payment module or two (this and gocardless.com are very interesting for me - gocardless especially for business clients looking to sell more expensive items online). PayMill's API makes it look very simple to use indeed. I was very impressed by the demo and the fact that it seems like you can run payments through your site, keeping customers in one place, whilst still being PCI compliant (even if your server isn't) as all you store is a token and the rest of the payment handling is done behind the scenes. They still recommend an SSL certificate though, which makes perfect sense when entering card details. I basically want to familiarise myself with Antti's module and various payment options enough that I'm better informed the next time an e-commerce site comes along. I'd much rather do everything in ProcessWire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 PayMill looks really nice. Doesn't look like it's available for US customers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Think its not impossible that paymill will expand into the US market. Paymill is a company from Rocket Internet, one of the biggest German Incubators. They are the founders of Zalando, which is maybe the biggest German eCommerce startup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Thanks for the Zalando information Luis. I was considering using Paymill for a project and this gives me some confidence. For those who don't know Zalando and how big it is, I can only say that every time I go to a post office in Germany there is at least one person from the cue that went there to pick a package from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apeisa Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Oh, I have seen Zalando ads in TV here in Finland (they promote very heavily). The most annoying ones, like all german TV ads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 poor antti yeah but I agree with you, very annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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