Sorting pages without editing rights on parent page

[torf]

I know this topic has been addressed several times before, but has anyone a solution in 2025?
As for my site manual sorting of the child pages is crucial for some users, but they are not supposed to touch the parent page. Can I achieve this somehow?

Thanks
Torf

[MSP01]

This might be a band aid but:

If you don't have a huge amount of pages to sort, one possibility is to create a separate page with page reference field, add the pages there and base the sorting on the ordering of this field. Admittedly this is a good solution in some cases and sometimes it's far too inconvinient to do it like this.

It's how I usually do web pages main navigation.

[Robin S]

It seems to work if you allow edit access on the parent template in the normal way via the PW admin...

...and then disallow editing on the parent template in a hook to Page::editable()

$wire->addHookAfter('Page::editable', function(HookEvent $event) {
	/** @var Page $page */
	$page = $event->object;
	$user = $event->wire()->user;
	// Return early if PW has already determined that the user is not allowed to edit
	if(!$event->return) return;
	// Don't allow users with the "editor" role to edit pages with the "colours" template
	if($page->template == 'colours' && $user->hasRole('editor')) $event->return = false;
});

[torf]

@MSP01 Thanks - that's an interesting approach, but it's too late for this time - I'd have to rewrite half of the templates.

@Robin S That worked. It's still a bit of coding, since in my case it's more then a dozen templates, but it works. Changed the last line to make it a bit easier when working on numerous parent templates:

$arr_of_templates = ["parent_1","parent_2","parent_3"]; // and so on
if((in_array($page->template, $arr_of_templates)) && ($user->hasRole('editor'))) $event->return = false;

Thank you very much