Jonathan Lahijani

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that a database migration system (like Ruby on Rails... they've had it perfected since 2005 or so) takes ProcessWire from being a CMS/CMF to something more web application framework-like, at least from my point of view. That's a defining feature the way I see it and what I believe Bernard is shooting for (I haven't experimented with RM yet). Personally, I do everything by hand the way Ryan described (because I'm impatient and it's fast enough), combined with little 1-off scripts that modify big chunks of data as needed, but that approach will fall apart when there's multiple developers involved, syncing changes, or even re-implementing your own changes on a production site that were originally done on a development site. I do wonder if I would use a migrations feature if it were native to ProcessWire. Right now, I rarely even use Field/Template/Page Exports when making field/template/page changes from dev to production, but I definitely understand the use case (having worked with web applications frameworks extensively). While having a database migration system is the more 'proper' and 12-factor-y way to do complex development, I don't personally view ProcessWire as a web application framework like Laravel and Rails. There's something to be said about being able to throw ProcessWire around and experiment with things quickly. It has had a real impact on my productivity and solutions. Hand-writing every field or template added or changed would be tiring (although it would optional). Having it auto-recorded like CraftCMS would be interesting and there have been attempts to do that. Not sure where I'm going with this, but just some thoughts I felt like sharing.

Funny you say that because I wrote a similar list as well. Here it is with some added commentary. As you can see I solved some things but listed them anyway and other things I didn't list because I solved them. general when clicking something in an unfocused window, the first click will focus the window; another click must be made to actually do something in the window I didn't realize how much this annoyed me. I thought Front and Center fixes this but it doesn't. finder (and Finder replacements) can't move or even remove the finder icon in the dock I don't want Finder to be first; to counteract, I've added a bunch of spacers so it's visually separated from my core programs (vscode, chrome, forklift, iterm) there is no "cut" option in finder (must copy, then use the move/paste with command + alt + v -- requires 2 hands) can't have custom categories in finder (just favorites, locations, icloud and tags) can't have the main folders load from a custom location like you can in windows; must use symlink instead this messes up how Finder search works hitting 'enter' on a file or folder does rename instead of launching the file / entering the folder (naturally, 'enter' seems like the right key to hit to ENTER a folder, not rename it) this means i have to use whatever the keyboard shortcut macOS wants you to use, and I don't remember what it is, but I remember I must use 2 hands -- ridiculous! the files list does not refresh automatically if a new file was written somewhere else (!) I use ForkLift as a replacement to Finder, but nothing in the macOS ecosystem comes even close to XYplorer (I used that for 13 years and it's updated constantly; it's like the ProcessWire of file managers... a Swiss Army Knife) mouse mouse wheel uses acceleration which makes sense for touchpads and mice without an actual WHEEL; it's not linear like you would expect counteract with https://github.com/emreyolcu/discrete-scroll the fact that macOS uses acceleration based scrolling for notch-wheel mice is ridiculous. that doesn't make any sense. macOS mouse movement physics is weird (at least compared to Windows) using outdated steelseries exactmouse to counteract that program is from 2010 (!); there's nothing more recent! no middle-click + scroll use "AutoScroll" extension in Chrome; it doesn't have the same feel like in Windows chrome can't open a new tab inside a chrome app like you can in windows; must first focus a regular chrome window other software Transmit (the SFTP client) doesn't support folder bookmarks (really wish it did so I don't have to use FileZilla; I don't want to use ForkLift for SFTP)

M1 Mac Mini My first Mac. I love the hardware, but macOS is just not for me and it does some idiotic UX things that I can't stand, to the point where it's become a deal breaker. May go back to Windows and keep this as a second machine or just switch to Linux (Fedora KDE most likely); will probably stop using WSL2 and set up a dedicated Linux server for development (I don't like working with virtual machines). LAMP stack (installed and configured everything with Brew); everything ARM-based VSCode with various plugins ProcessWire with various modules (Profields being a must) + my super module (still developing it; lot's of breaking changes until the dust finally settles) I too set up a $config->env variable Laravel Mix for frontend asset management Hosting: DigitalOcean with Ubuntu Server (but considering Fedora Server in the future)

The upload limit is set by php.ini's 'post_max_size' setting. If you are using php-fpm, make sure to restart php itself so that the setting takes effect: sudo service php7.4-fpm restart

I believe I hit this issue in 2014 with Windows 7 and WAMP server. This thread helped me. I believe I commented in there too: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10750964/wamp-is-running-very-slow

What version of PW are you running? What is your server setup? Be specific.

Turn on debug mode in config.php. When you are able to log into the admin, go to the debug accordion at the bottom. Under 'Pages Loaded', how many pages does it say it loaded?

Yes, I built a project with CraftCMS 2 years ago. It made me love ProcessWire even more. ? I follow WordPress very closely and CraftCMS somewhat closely. AFAIK, their Matrix field works similarly to ProcessWire's, but the fields that go inside each matrix-block are 1-off (not re-used). Pros and Cons to that. Also, it doesn't support depth, so really it's more of the 'classic' approach (like WP ACF Flexible Content).

Over the years, I've experimented with using RepeaterMatrix as the basis of a rich page builder. I've gone through at least a dozen concepts, most of which hit the chopping block due to either being too complex, not well thought out, too clever or too limiting. To my knowledge, the only other CMS that takes the "Builder" approach that I've demonstrated is DjangoCMS (meaning, it has a matrix-like field with depth support). While the "Builder" approach works well, it could be too advanced for some people. Therefore the other approach is the "Classic" approach where you don't deal with containers/rows/columns (which instead is handled by template code), and simply enter the content in the respective field. This is easy to understand, but has drawbacks in terms of flexibility. If it were made to be too flexible, it would become a "God" block which is bad. Then I finally thought of a third approach which is a mix between the Builder and Classic approach. It uses the basic builder blocks, combined with the layout from the matrix item template file. By using the basic builder blocks, you get the plethora of options. It requires an extra page to be created behind the scenes however, but live preview still works. I made a video comparing all the above (10m duration). I want to hear your feedback on this as I am ~75% done with my super module (doing a lot of code and concept cleaning at this point) and want to finish off this portion of it. (note: I'm posting this in the Dev Talk forum since this is a discussion / not support request)

Is LazyCron being used in any way? Maybe you have it doing something intensive every 24 hours?

As of today's latest commit to the dev branch, the solution to the original question of sorting results by a specific order of page IDs is now possible. // get page 2, then 1, then 3 in that specific order using the new 'id.sort'; you can also use "limit" for pagination without any downsides $pages->find("id.sort=2|1|3"); More info: https://github.com/processwire/processwire-issues/issues/1477#issuecomment-982928688

I'm facing a similar issue (and overall trying to achieve something similar to your original post). I'm not sure if it's a bug but I filed an Issue: https://github.com/processwire/processwire-issues/issues/1477

I use Laravel Mix (webpack) as my build tool and the resulting files (js, css, fonts, images) get stored in /site/templates/dist/. My package.json is in /site/templates/. When using Laravel Mix with Tailwind 2 and its JIT compiler however, I hit a known infinite loop issue due to limitations with webpack: https://tailwindcss.com/docs/just-in-time-mode#styles-rebuild-in-an-infinite-loop To counteract this, I could put my dist folder inside /site/assets/. ProCache's built files go inside /site/assets/ as well in a 'pwpc' directory. Therefore my question is: Is it more 'proper' to put frontend built files in /site/assets/(subfolder-name)/ as opposed to /site/templates/(subfolder-name)/ ?

Thanks @ryan. All the pieces were already in place. I've been working on this concept for a while now and with live preview, everything has come together. @Ivan Gretsky That's just with custom CSS I'm loading in the admin. Like this: // assuming RM field is called 'builder' and matrix-type is called 'builder_column' #wrap_Inputfield_builder [data-typename="builder_column"].InputfieldRepeaterItem > label.InputfieldHeader { outline: 1px solid #777; outline-color: #777; background-color: #777; } @bernhard The 'options' field (powered by Mystique) has a plethora of options for each matrix-type. The 'Image' matrix-type has a 'width' and 'height' field that if set, will set it to the specified width (->width(width)), specified height (->height(height)) or size (->size(width, height)). If no values are entered, it uses the original dimensions.

Here's a video demonstrating a RepeaterMatrix full page builder using PageAutosave with live preview. I really want to hear your feedback if you think "non-coders", but those with decent skills, could use such a builder successfully.

Hi Ryan, I just gave the module a quick test with my super advanced out of this world builder setup and wow, this really works well! It even auto-saves Mystique-based fields which is absolutely perfect. Also, replacing a single image-field autosaves correctly too. So sweet.

Hi @ryan. I was thinking, would it be possible to enhance this feature so that you could copy multiple repeater items to memory and paste them at once (and respect copied depth as well)?

Yes I am using them in production as well. I think most PHP 8 issues in ProcessWire itself have been resolved. There might be some 3rd party modules that haven't been updated in a while that have some bugs, but I don't use them.

The following video demonstrates how to set up a development server that is 100% ProcessWire friendly and uses all the latest software (PHP 8, MySQL 8, Apache 2). While there are other approaches to it (such as using tasksel lamp), the video demonstrates an efficient and clean way in getting all the latest versions of the software, advanced configuration settings, in addition to setting up SSL. This could also be used for WSL2 since it's ultimately a barebone virtual machine, much like DigitalOcean and similar providers.

The folks at YOOtheme revealed a little more about UIkit 4 recently: https://yootheme.com/blog/2021/10/28/uikit-3.8-reworked-focus-style I liked this part the most:

@adrian That issue has been there for a couple years. I spoke about it with Ryan on a thread in the RM forum, but I can't find it. You can ignore those errors. I do however wish they would not appear since it feels like like a bug.

@ryan I'm not sure how ACF Extended is doing previews, but let's just assume it's rendering frontend code in the backend (iframe). The specific matrix-item previews would have to be from frontend code (so as a result, inside an iframe) so it utilizes the frontend css and js. I experimented with a concept a couple years ago (go to around 2:48 in this video -- notice the preview iframe changing there as the dropdown changes). With that being said, when switching from editor mode to preview mode, it would have to save the content in the repeater item so that the preview shows the up-to-date data. Perhaps this could benefit from the new snapshots feature that you've been developing separately? Regarding your concern about it being a lot of developer work, I think leaving the intricacies up to the developer is fine as long as ProcessWire provides some basic guidelines and makes it easy to pipe it all together. Because page builders can get ridiculously complex (I've gone DEEP down this rabbit-hole) and ProcessWire doesn't force a specific frontend approach (good), I believe providing the minimal foundation for letting developers decide how they want to go about it is the best approach. There are a lot of developers on here trying to twist RepeaterMatrix to work a certain way, but with a few more adjustments I believe it will be in a perfect spot. To recap the last few years of "page building" with regards to ProcessWire, here's what really drove it forward: the Repeater Matrix fieldtype nesting repeaters inside repeaters repeater depth family friendly option (being able to drag a "parent" item and it takes the children with it) Mystique fieldtype (for being able to define option type fields that don't warrant the use of "real" ProcessWire fields since it would get unwieldy -- I love this module) new methods by which a matrix-type can be chosen (developed this week) repeater lazy parents (developed this week; big efficiency gains) --> matrix-type previews (or some sort of preview system) ? ? ? THE END. ? There is a client of mine where one of the editors (a marketing person with a good eye for design) has been using my advanced RepeaterMatrix setup with great success. The pages he's created are outstanding and he doesn't require any of my help (I'll demo this later this year). While the page building experience won't match an "inline" type page builder (WP Block Editor and the million other ones out there), I've found that this approach is "good enough" and the pages made will be very consistent.

Yea, preview can be done either in the ProDrafts Live Preview way, or the ACF Extended way. I haven't given it much thought but with the ACF Extended way, you save a lot of horizontal space in the page editor, which is especially important if you have a lot of configuration options for each matrix-type. With the ProDrafts Live Preview way, it gets squished (although resizable). ProDraft's Live Preview way does however provide a more realistic (not chopped up) live preview. Pros and cons. Would be nice if everyone had an ultrawide monitor. ? HTMX is freaking awesome and I'm currently using it heavily on a site for filtering and such. It's made me 100x more productive for the repetitive fancy JS type things while still being able to use regular HTML (no JSON and brittle SPA nonsense). If that could be leveraged in some way it would save a lot of headache, although Ryan seems very comfortable with jQuery. @ryan I think looking into HTMX is worthwhile. It's going to stay around for a long time if I were to make a prediction.

I just tested the repeater storage option and it's working nicely. This behind-the-scenes tweak was really important in terms of efficiency, so thanks for implementing it. As for the ACF example, what you're seeing on that page is basically the equivalent of a matrix field with 3 matrix-types already added ("Header", "Hero" and "Cards") in a "preview" state (remember, this is inside the WordPress admin area, not frontend). (Note: ignore those 8 vertical tabs on the left, that's just marketing material) If you click on the rendered content of one of the matrix-types there, it will switch to "editor" mode and allow you to edit the content. Once done editing, you can click the "Close" button to go back to preview mode. If you click "Add Row" at the bottom, it's the equivalent of the newly created images approach to selecting a matrix-type. Hopefully that clears it up.

@ryan Can matrix preview images also support .jpg in addition to .png? Also, this is more of a stretch, but what are your thoughts on the ability to have a "Preview" option that renders a repeater item's frontend output in the backend? There is a plugin in WordPress for Advanced Custom Fields that does this which I think could be a great addition in ProcessWire: https://www.acf-extended.com/ That page has an embedded WordPress admin interactive demo right there in the hero section. This is similar to the spirit of PageTableExtended module: https://processwire.com/modules/fieldtype-page-table-extended/