Kiwi Chris

There seems to be a new bug in that image fields from a template for image captions and descriptions etc for an image that is used in a repeater aren't getting saved.

@matjazp Is it safe to just overwrite the old unmaintained module with your one? I have a site that has it installed, and it seems to be working, but it is generating a large number of log entries with warnings in Tracy Debugger.

This module works well, but with Lister Pro and inline editing within the Lister Pro table, even with the check box to update on save for this module, file names aren't renamed, although opening via a full edit and saving does work. I suspect the issue might be the way Lister Pro works, but if it's possible to get this module to work with inline editing mode in Lister Pro it would be handy.

This sounds like an SNI problem, although Windows 7 should support SNI. https://www.kinamo.be/en/support/faq/which-browsers-support-server-name-indication-sni The other possibility could be root certificates that aren't recognised by Windows 7, or TLS/SSL versions supported by the server. A lot of servers have retired older versions of TLS because they're insecure, and by default Windows 7 doesn't support newer versions. https://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-urges-system-administrators-to-replace-obsolete-tls-protocols/ If this is the case, changing the CMS won't resolve the problem, as the problem is an issue between the server and Windows 7 not the CMS. This might help you: https://help.runbox.com/enabling-tls-1-2-on-windows-7/ If enabling TLS 1.2 on Windows 7 makes the website work with Windows 7, then you have the answer to what is causing the problem. Unfortunately you can't be sure that anyone running Windows 7 has enabled TLS 1.2, and if the server has disabled older versions for security, it's unlikely to be able to get insecure versions of TLS enabled again, as it puts the server at risk. It's over a year now since Windows 7 reached end of life, so anyone still using it on the internet is taking big risks with their security.

I wanted to do something a little different but the code for this module helped me figure out how to achieve it. I had an existing page with a page reference field with a value that I wanted as the default value for the same page reference field when used on another template, ie I wanted to be able to allow admin but non-super users set a default themselves on a site settings page that they could change periodically. I ended up doing it as a hook in ready.php, but I guess with some more work it could be made into a module. It would need to allow selection of both source template and field, and templates the default should apply to (to avoid circular references of the field to itself). /** * Check for default value and populate when appropriate */ $wire->addHookBefore('InputfieldPage::render', function(HookEvent $event) { /** @var InputfieldPage $if */ $if = $event->object; $inputfield = $if->getInputfield(); //$default_value = $this->getDefaultValue($inputfield); if (!($if->hasPage->template == 'ProductionRole' && $if->hasField->name == 'pageShow')) return; $default_value = $event->pages->get('name=settings')->pageShow; if (!$if->required || !$default_value || !$if->isEmpty()) return; $inputfield->value = $default_value; });

As everyone working in IT should know, it's important to use effective antivirus systems. ?

As a matter of curiosity, any specific type of club? I've built or am in the process of building two, for quite different types of clubs with different requirements. One I'm getting paid for, the other more complex one I'm not, as one of the joys of serving on the club committee, and being the only member of the club with the capability to maintain and develop the club website. I suspect there are some base requirements for any kind of club, eg, track members, manage subs, handle newsletters, and maybe have a club website and blog but then beyond that there may be unique features depending on what the club does.

I'm in the former category - to now, but a couple of projects have got me thinking how the second option might be useful to me as well. I've built a couple of sites (or I'd prefer to call the apps) on top of ProcessWire that have potentially a much wider market than just the clients I've built them for, however I'm just a single developer and having to manage hosting, billing, deployment, won't scale well the way I'm currently working, and although if I take the time I should be able to automate nearly everything, there's also the issue of discoverability, whereas if there were an option where people could people just click to sign up and choose an app of their choice with installation and billing all taken care of I think there could be a use case. At least, I think the modules directory needs to support commercial modules from any developer, and also at install time, I think the choice of site profiles should be able to query the modules website and offer paid or free profiles other than just those bundled with ProcessWire. Obviously ProcessWire should get a percentage of any sales, just like big app stores.

Interesting. I wonder why it didn't work? With Umbraco, the hosting comes under Umbraco.com so it's associated with the project rather than a third party independent offering. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it? Another open source project that has a similar model is Directus, and of course WordPress does the same. First party support for instant, managed hosting is more likely to inspire confidence than yet another third party that may or may not continue to be around. WordPress offering first party hosting doesn't stop plenty of third party hosting, but it does mean plenty of people get to experience WordPress without needing to install anything. Because ProcessWire has a completely different model to WordPress and is more suited to building custom apps, what might be nice is to have a selection of certified ProcessWire apps for different purposes that users can host. I'd certainly be happy with an official 'app store' model where ProcessWire gets to take a cut that helps support the project in return for offering global exposure and handles billing. I have a few projects for clients I've been working on that I can see will have wider appeal, and they're not really modules as such but more complete sites, and I've been thinking about how to look at distribution. Umbraco sets the bar high in this regard, requiring quite an expensive fee to cover review of any paid modules and I guess profiles, presumably to ensure that the store doesn't get filled up with low quality contributions. I think some sort of fee to cover review of paid modules and profiles would be reasonable, but maybe not as steep as Umbraco.

I hear what you're saying. I wonder whether it's worth having a look at something like how Umbraco (https://our.umbraco.com/) is structured. It's built on ASP.Net rather than PHP, but next to ProcessWire it would probably be my next most preferred CMS because you can do pretty much anything with it, and a lot of concepts are similar, although I still think ProcessWire overall is easier to work with, looking objectively I think maybe Umbraco has a community and business model that might be worth looking at, as some of what they do might work with ProcessWire. One of the things they do is offer preconfigured hosting with Umbraco installed and maintained, and I wonder if that might be something that could be a source of funds for ProcessWire, and also a way around the idea that ProcessWire is developer focused and not so much for end users. Have a few professional site profiles, and the option for quick deployment and hosting taken care of, and it might be easier to get more people onboard with ProcessWire. I want ProcessWire to thrive, as I enjoy working with it, but clients ask me what happens if something happens to me, so I need to know that it continues to support an active community so that I can reassure clients that there are plenty of people who can support them if for any reason I cease being able to.

I'm starting to think the issue isn't with the website at all, but possibly the domain, as the webmail subdomain which points to a different IP address, and is managed by the web hosting provider is also flagged as unsafe, so it looks as though Google has blacklisted the entire domain and subdomains. As of this morning, the mail server for the domain is also blacklisted by Microsoft, and that's a different IP address again. It's shared hosting, so I wonder whether some dodgy WordPress site on the server has been compromised and started sending out spam resulting in all services from the same provider getting blacklisted.

I'm not sure that this is necessarily security, although Google thinks it is, but I'm interested to hear if anyone knows what triggers it. I have a website that's triggered in the last 24 hours (I was on the site last night no problem) a big red warning from Google when you access the URL in Chrome: Deceptive site ahead In Google Search Console, I'm told the site has deceptive pages, although Google won't give me any sample URLs to figure out where it's happening. When I click for further details, I'm told "Social Engineering Content detected on site ..." I can't figure out what Google is determining to be 'Social Engineering Content' as the site looks fine in Edge or Firefox (running in Windows Sandbox just to be safe). Has anyone else had this issue, and if so, do you know what triggers Google to classify a site like this?

With latest stable or later version of ProcessWire, PHP 7.4x I'm getting error: Call to a member function getDefault() on null 841: $langName = $this->wire('languages')->getDefault()->name; I don't have multi-language support installed so I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it?

Where this may not work is where you have a new page reference field that needs to access pages with a given template when that template does not yet exist, or a given parent page when that parent page does not yet exist. In that case you're going to need to add a page or template (or both) before you add the field. @adrian mentioned having to loop through several times to ensure all dependencies are met, and I don't think it's possible to avoid this. Some field types don't have dependencies, so it makes sense to process them first, but page references will have dependencies that may or may not have been met, and if not, you'll need to install any templates and pages then loop back and check whether the page reference fields have their dependencies met. Where it gets really messy is if you have a template that depends on one page reference field, which happens to be the template used by another page reference field. eg: customer->billing-contact (page reference to contact template) , invoice->customer (page reference to customer template), so invoice template can't be made till customer page field exists, which in turn depends on template that has a page field that references contact template. In this case adding fields > templates > pages in that order won't work. FWIW, it's hard to make dependency tracking work, and even the big guys have issues. I recently had a .Net Xamarin Forms app project using Microsoft Visual Studio, and circular references between dependencies between third party libraries was blocking me from updating what I needed to get it working. In the end I had to delete all the dependencies and then add them back in with the updated versions to get it to work! I think what I'd be happy to settle for as a developer with ProcessWire, would be to be able to set up a single list of objects in order, specifying whether they're a page, field, template, or module, etc with the ability to reorder them if necessary, similar to in the template editor you can re-order fields. Although this means I'd need to manually figure out what order things should be in, if I'm creating the code, even if it's via ProcessWire admin rather than the API, I should know what depends on what. It might simplify the layout of your UI a bit, as you'd simply have object type, object name, whether to add/update or remove it, although it would require some ajax callback if you want a lookup on the list of objects to make sure the object with the name you've specified actually exists as the type you've specified, although maybe not absolutely essential as currently you've just got a text field to add your object names.

A question: Do new and changed fields and/or pages get processed in the order they're specified? I'm thinking of the scenario where a new page field is added that depends on a template and page that may also need to be added. That's one of the scenarios where using the built in field inport/export doesn't work too well if there are dependencies. It will advise you of them, but then you have to go back and import the dependencies then re-do the import, whereas if it's possible to specify order so that dependencies are met before an object is processed, it would make migrations more robust. This isn't an issue for declarative development via the API rather than the admin UI, as the developer can order their code so that dependencies are processed in order, but if changes are made via the admin UI this is a potential problem.

I figured out the problem. The hosting control panel said that PHP 7.4 was installed but it was actually only supplying 5.4. I got that fixed and the module works now.

That works perfectly. It saved me a heap of time trying to figure out what hook to use.

I need to restrict editing access based on both the user role, and the value of a sub-field in a page reference field. eg $page->competition->closingDate There's some discussion about restricting editing access based on role, and that works, but when I try to access the page via the method @Robin S suggests, the page returned is an admin page rather than the page being edited, so I don't have access to the edited page's fields.

@ryan, this module needs to be updated to support import of decimal fields now they're in the core.

I get the following error on attempting to import a CSV file: I'm running ProcessWire 3.0.171, on PHP 7.4x

I've looked at quite a few other CMS/CMFs and most of them fall down in some respect compared to ProcessWire, whether it be documentation, community, or ease of use. That doesn't make ProcessWire perfect, and given the diversity of usage scenarios there will always be things that could be done differently. The admin certainly can be a mixed blessing. It's so easy to use, that it's tempting to rely on it at least to start with, but then when you need to maintain changes, it can get complicated. I think what could be quite nice, if it's possible, would be to have the ability to enable change tracking for templates and fields, when they're modified via the admin. It's already possible to export and import field and template definitions as JSON, so combine this with the ability to track what's changed, and something like @bernhard's migrations module, and it could be easier to combine the ease of using ProcessWire admin to make changes, and the need to be able to roll out changes from development to production sites.

@bernhard Thanks for a really helpful example. It's also good to know other people are using Processwire as a full backend application. Thanks also for making RockFinder3, it's a great module. For non-editable tabular lists, I've just used the core MarkupAdminDataTable that works well enough for my needs, although I should probably build some sort of reporting module so that I can easily define group headers and footers for totals, headings etc.

The "Unique" status in Processwire does quite the opposite of what I want. What I need is to be able to have First name: John, last name: Smith, Address: 10 main street allowed but unique and also First name: John, last name: Smith, Address: 10 high street also allowed but unique Address can't be the unique field though because there could be someone else living at the same address, so what makes a record unique is the combination of all three fields. This is easy to do in SQL, eg CREATE UNIQUE INDEX person ON members (firstName, lastName, address); but not quite so obvious in Processwire, although I think perhaps a hook before Pages::added could do a $pages->count('firstName=John,lastName=Smith,Address=10 main street') and if this returns a non-zero value, return an error. I'm not sure what sort of performance implications there would be doing it as a hook vs in SQL on multiple fields in a table.

I can write a hook to make the page name the page ID. It's only one duplicate field, and I can rename the display name for title for the templates involved as First Name I guess, as that's always going to be a required field, just not unique. It doesn't solve the issue around validation of uniqueness across multiple fields, although I guess that can be achieved with a hook before saving, to check whether $pages->count() > 0 for the field combination I want to be unique.

From recent discussions around the future of Processwire, I suspect my use case might be a bit different to others, as rather than using it in the website 'builder' type scenario, I'm using it more as a database management system, where structured data is critical, and quite often 'pages' will never be visualised via a template, and if they are, the template file is effectively a 'report'. In my case I'm tending to build sites where the admin IS the site, and there's often little or no front-end. I've wondered whether I'd be better to learn some framework like Yii or ASP.Net that have CRUD code generators that can generate data entry forms for SQL tables, but I like Processwire's admin, and the permissions system is something I rely on a lot. I've started working on a membership app, that will have quite a few users, and I've immediately run into a problem. I want admin users to be able to store first name, last name, address etc for members, but it's quite conceivable with a large enough list that it's possible to have more than one say 'John Smith', living at different addresses. I know how to write a hook to put an arbitrary auto-incrementing number in the title field (which will also populate the name field), but this seems to me to break the DRY principle. There's already a page ID, and if I'm effectively populating two other indexed database fields with an arbitrary number so that I can uniquely identify records and keep Processwire happy, it doesn't feel quite right. In straight SQL I can use an auto-increment numeric surrogate primary key and create a constraint on multiple columns so I could have as many 'John Smiths' as I like as long as they reside at different addresses, but I'm not sure how I'd go about this in Processwire, as each field resides in its own table. Perhaps the new Combo Profield @ryan recently released might be have potential for this, as all the subfields reside in a common database table, and there's already some capability to edit the database schema, although I'm not sure if this extends to creating custom constraints? That would be a really great feature, as it would allow defining unique records based on a combination of sub-fields. The Combo fieldtype is still a fieldtype though which needs to be added to a template with mandatory fields, so I still potentially have page id, name, and title all essentially duplicating each other's functionality as arbitrary numeric fields. I understand why page name is meant to be mandatory, as a page that has a template file needs to be accessible via a URL, and the page name is part of the routing, however I'm not sure whether it's practical for pages that don't have a template file to simply work off the page ID? What might be useful is a template property setting that can indicate that the id should be used as the name as well, so there's still a 'name' but it's populated at runtime as a reference to the page id. I'm guessing it might be possible to do something like this via a hook?