ryan

Thanks for all of the replies, this is great information. It sounds like SSE is the way to go here. I don't have any experience with that yet so am looking forward to learning more. I'm basically repeating what's been said above, but it sounds like htmx has this built in and may be a simple way to get started with it. Since this is a front-end modification (where PW doesn't usually venture into), the more lightweight we can be with it, the better. So we might eventually consider putting together just the functionality that we need for this part, as I know htmx does quite a bit more. But since I know almost nothing about SSE, htmx sounds like a great place to start. Since the front-end comes exclusively from user's template files, I don't think there's a way that ProcessWire can selectively render one thing or another in the page. It has to render the entire page. But it does sound like the actual JS-update part of it could certainly be more selective. For users that want selective server-side rendering of elements, it's certainly possible that we could provide some kind of suggestion that the developer should follow, as a means to increase performance of live preview. For instance, if the URL is /path/to/page/?change=body then the developer might detect $input->get('change') === 'body' and render the markup appropriately. But I think most will just want a drop-in solution that they don't have to code around. And that means how fast it works would have more to do with how efficiently the site is coded and how fast the environment is that it's running is. I don't think this will ever be a "see each character as you type" type of live preview, but I think most of the value of live preview will still be present even with a small delay.

Now that we're in the last couple months of this year, I've been trying to implement a lot of plans that we discussed early in the year. That meant a lot of updates to repeaters in the last couple of weeks (and likely more on the way). But this week, I've been working on another thing we discussed earlier, which is bringing automatic save and live preview capabilities to ProcessWire, independently of ProDrafts, and with full repeater support. In ProcessWire, it's your own code (in template files) that renders the site’s output. ProcessWire delivers a $page to your template file(s), and your template file(s) render it in whatever manner they see fit. In this environment, we need an automatic save capability before we can have a live preview capability. Working on that automatic save capability is what I've been doing this week. I figure that once that is finished, then we'll be able to start developing the live preview capability. I'm glad to report that we now have automatic save fully functional and have tested pretty thoroughly with every Fieldtype/Inputfield I can think of. Unlike in ProDrafts, it also fully supports repeater, repeater matrix, and even nested ones. Actually, it looks like we'll be able to support everything you would want it to. But it's early yet it'll need a lot of testing before its production ready. I've built it into a module called PageAutosave. It requires the latest version of ProcessWire on the dev branch (3.0.189). I'm not yet positive whether this is going to end up as a core module or not. I thought I would gauge interest and see. For now, I'm posting a limited release test version of it in the ProDrafts support board and ProDevTools support board, if anyone is interested in trying it out. The PageAutosave module lets you configure whether you want it enabled for all pages or just for unpublished pages. When needed, you can also optionally choose to limit it to certain templates, certain fields, or certain user roles. Autosave isn't always desirable as it literally means your changes get saved to the $page as you type, so I imagine it's something people might use more for unpublished pages. Autosave is one side of the coin and live preview is the other. The current goal for live preview is to not depend on any particular view or admin interface and instead to just simply have the option of having a window open to a page in the website that detects changes and updates them automatically. So if you had one window open to the page edit screen, and another window viewing the page being edited, you could observe your updates as you made them. Once that is working reliably, we can decide on how best to put an interface around it, and maybe some will also like the option of just having two browser windows open wherever they want them. This won't be the kind of live preview where you'll see every character as you type it, but more likely you'll see updates a second or so after you make them. That's because your edits have to be auto-saved in the page editor, ProcessWire has to call your template file(s) to render the output, and the live preview has to update whatever has changed since the last update. It's that last part of it that I'll need the most help on. Some of you have mentioned htmx as a potential way to accomplish that and I think it looks compelling. And if you know of any other [likely JS-based] tools or technologies that we should also look at, please reply and let us know. I've bumped the core version to 3.0.189 primarily because the PageAutosave module requires updates that are in this version. This version also continues some longer term build out of a couple Fieldtype interface methods across multiple modules, and adds a new 'sorted' JS event that is triggered during sort actions (also used by PageAutosave). But if you aren't going to be installing the PageAutosave module, there's no urgency to update to 3.0.189 if you are on the dev branch and already using 3.0.188. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

@adrian @Jonathan Lahijani Consider those warnings to just be strong suggestions. If you want to ignore them, it's likely okay, but for most (including me) I would avoid colliding repeater matrix type names with field names because it's a source of confusion. I think I had also identified a case where it could a problem. I don't remember exactly what it was, but do remember it was possible enough to warrant displaying warnings about it, but unlikely enough to be okay to ignore if everything otherwise works. @wbmnfktr Turns out thats a leftover debugging/development message which is blank because the value it's showing is empty unless you use the images feature. It should only appear when editing the matrix field (Setup > Fields) and is okay to ignore. I'll make sure it's removed in the next update. Thanks.

@Ivan Gretsky Sure, I can add that.

@Ivan Gretsky Those are already present in Matrix as part of the header label. See the "Item Headers" input for each of the matrix types:

Like last week, this week, updates continued on the core and matrix repeater fields. Repeater and matrix fields can now be configured to use fewer pages. When set, it won't create placeholder pages for repeater items until at least one repeater item exists for a given page and field. This can drastically reduce the number of pages consumed by repeaters in your system, and even more so if you are nesting repeaters. Eventually, this will become the default setting, but for now we are playing it safe and making it optional with a new toggle that you'll find on the Details tab when editing a repeater or matrix field: After enabling the "Use fewer pages..." Setting, the "Find an optionally delete unnecessary pages" checkbox will take care of cleaning up anything that isn't necessary for existing repeaters already in the database. If you have a large site with a lot of repeaters, this could be deleting a lot of now irrelevant stuff, so just be aware of that and backup ahead of time to be safe. Thanks to @Jonathan Lahijani for the idea/suggestion. Also new this week is the ability to copy and paste repeater items, as well as to clone above or below existing items. It handles this by replacing the existing "clone" icon action with a dialog that now lets you choose among various related actions. Among them is the ability to copy/paste from the same page or between different pages. The only requirement is that the repeater (or matrix) items are from the same field. See the video below for an example of how this works: This works with either Repeater or Repeater Matrix fields. But if you want this feature in Repeater Matrix, you'll want to upgrade to ProcessWire 3.0.188 and download the new version posted today (v8 beta) in the ProFields download thread. The ability to copy/paste repeater items was an idea originally from @David Karich and a module he developed called Repeater Matrix Item Duplicator. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

@Jonathan Lahijani Thanks, yes your description explains it perfectly. I understand how it works now. Where does one define the preview view? The preview seems like it is prepared for the admin, and presumably is something different than what appears on the front-end. If that's the case, this approach would also work for Repeater Matrix (like with custom preview render files like I mentioned in my previous message). It seems like a lot of work for a developer to set up, but if it's what sometime wants then maybe they don't mind. How does ACF work in this respect? It looks to me like developer-defined admin previews, but I don't know for sure. Then there's the potential where the preview is the literal front-end view of the element (and surrounding document), like you guys mentioned. Since front-end output in PW is entirely up to the developer, I'm not sure how much Repeater Matrix can do here. This would be more of a separate "live preview" option for the entire page rather than something specific to repeaters. PW just renders the whole page, though maybe the developer can implement their own method to selectively render one component or another (alongside the mentioned htmx), but that might be asking a lot of the site developer to implement it. This also requires that the preview be in a separate window or frame, since the full document has to be rendered, at least initially. A tool like htmx is cool and might save time relative to jQuery'ing it. But like ProDrafts preview, the underlying issue of having to render the full document remains. Htmx does have the hx-select to facilitate this, which would likely be better than the homegrown method ProDrafts uses for inline replacement. Though ProDrafts inline replacement at least doesn't require one to code for it, but I'm guessing htmx is more consistent/reliable across a much broader diversity of situations.

@Jonathan Lahijani The png is just an example and it supports any common image extension: gif, png, jpg, svg. I'm cool with a preview option, but just didn't want to mix preview with editor. But a preview that appears above or in a modal or something has potential. We may be able to provide an option for developers to provide their own preview render files, like we do for the preview images. The acf examples look interesting, but admittedly I'm lost in them like a nuclear power plant control room, likely because I'm not so familiar with the wordpress tools. By the way, the option we talked about earlier (repeaters with fewer pages) is now committed in the dev branch and you can enable it by opening the "Repeaters storage" fieldset that appears on the Details tab when editing a Repeater or Matrix field.

@Jonathan Lahijani If I understand what you are asking for correctly, I think it's actually the next item in the class to-do's here -- does this sound like the same thing you are talking about? If so, I've actually reached the next step on that one along with some other updates, and may have it committed this week, so it's definitely on the way.

RepeaterMatrix v7 is now posted in the ProFields download thread. If you grab a copy, please consider it a dev/beta version (test thoroughly before using in production) and note that it also requires the current dev core version (3.0.187).

@nbcommunication Thanks, I was able to duplicate and fix the issue and it is in 3.0.187.

This week we have some very useful new additions to both the core Repeater Fieldtype and the ProFields Repeater Matrix Fieldtype. This post covers all the details along with a couple of brief demonstration videos— https://processwire.com/blog/posts/new-repeater-and-repeater-matrix-features/

@Ivan Gretsky Hooks have already been added for this, and I think they were present in the dev version I posted in the ProFields board a few months back? I don't remember for sure, but I'm trying to make everything hookable so that people can modify the output as needed, and will keep looking for additional opportunities for that as I build in more related features. @teppo Yes there's a renderAddMatrixItemLink() hookable method for this, and it renders a link for one matrix item type, and gets called for each of them. So you could change the output to be anything you want. This is already present, but with the changes being made, chances are another hookable method will be added related to this. @Pete If I understand correctly, this is already there. See the "Matrix types to allow for adding new items" on the "Input" tab when editing your matrix field. This can be configured in template context which enables you to specify some types for one template and other types for another, etc. @mlfct Thanks, I was able to reproduce that here too and have pushed a fix on the dev branch.

It took a little more time this week to wrap up what I was finishing last week (and the week[s] before). But I think it's now at a good spot to move on to something else, and so I started with some Repeater and RepeaterMatrix updates. In Repeater, a new feature was added that's been requested for awhile: the ability to add items anywhere you choose. Previously you could do it only by adding items to the bottom, and then drag them in place. Now you can click insert before/after [icons] in each repeater item header and it will add the new item in place. It is also depth-aware. This is something that I think will also be useful especially for people using repeaters for page builder type contexts. (Note: the feature does not [yet] work if you have all Ajax features turned OFF in your repeater settings). There's a GIF screencast below that shows you how it works. You can click the "insert before" or "insert after" actions and it inserts a new item in place. Alternatively, if you hover either action for a second, it'll show you where it's going to insert an item and you can click either the the item, or the action, to complete the insertion. There's still likely some optimizations and improvements to make in the JS here but so far it seems to be working well. (I made this as a GIF but for some reason IP.Board won't accept it, so here's a YouTube embed instead): Everything in Repeater also gets inherited by RepeaterMatrix, so you'll find this feature there too. But it's not fully functional there just yet. That's because RepeaterMatrix items also have a "type", so I'm working on a new version of RepeaterMatrix that lets you select a type once you've chosen where to insert the item. Another related feature in progress in RepeaterMatrix at the same time is a dropdown/select option for choosing what matrix type you want to add for items. This is an alternative to the current list of links that appears at the bottom. The dropdown also gives you the option of having groups of related types. More on that soon, potentially next week. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend.

This week I kept working on what's been in progress the last couple of weeks. That wasn't really the plan, as I was hoping to move on to other parts of the core. But I found it a took a lot of time to adjust everything to the new code and classes, and to refactor and remove other chunks of code that could either be simplified or removed. So these last few weeks of updates took a lot more time than I expected, and it's one of those things where once I got into it I felt I had to keep working until it was done as well as it could be. That meant getting pretty deep into some core logic. So in hindsight I'm slightly regretting refactoring so much code without major short-term benefits that can make more interesting reading here. And there are perhaps some short-term drawbacks in potentially introducing new bugs, as goes with any new code. But that's how it is sometimes. The good news is that it's a definite improvement in quality and I have no doubt there will be long term benefits especially in terms of improved performance and maintainability. But in any case, I'm glad to be wrapping up these particular updates so that I can move on to other parts of the core and Pro modules, and hopefully I'll have more interesting stuff to write about next time. One small addition you might find useful in these updates is that you can now identify the closest matching page when a 404 occurs. Maybe you want to provide a hint to users that land on a 404 as to what page they might have been looking for. Now you can do this in your 404 page template file: $p = $pages->request()->getClosestPage(); if($p->id > 1) { echo "<p>Were you looking for <a href='$p->url'>$p->title</a>?</p>"; } Like last week I'm not bumping the dev branch core version just yet because I don't want to trigger any upgrade alerts that might prompt people to upgrade immediately. I'd rather focus more on testing and leave these updates to those that are interested in that testing, helping to track down any issues. Thanks in advance for your help with testing these updates. Likewise, thanks for reading, I hope you have a great weekend!

@kongondo It shouldn't have any impact on those files and the same rules apply for when the $page API variable is available. The difference now is that you could potentially call $pages->request()->getPage(); on your own to find out what page it's going to be before the rest of PW knows. I think this probably isn't a common need, but the best example I've been able to think of is that SessionAllow module, which would like to know what the current $page is going to be before it decides whether or not to start a user session. That getPage() method is also hookable, so you could also dictate what the $page API var is going to be if you wanted to. Or you could call $pages->request->setPage($page); before PW calls getPage(). @Ivan Gretsky We couldn't make the getDefault() hookable because usually when code calls that, it's because it literally needs the default language and not one that's been substituted for it. So I think we'd have to focus further in on what you are wanting to do, or what front-end logic you are wanting to change, to see if that could be made hookable. That pageNotAvailableInLanguage() method was added to enable hooking into the logic of what the method describes, but perhaps other types of logic can be made hookable too.

All the updates I mentioned last week are committed on the dev branch today, and it's quite a lot of new code and revised code. There's enough here to justify a couple of version bumps, but I'm leaving it at 3.0.185 temporarily because the ProcessWireUpgrade module will see the version change and some people might upgrade automatically. Because there's so much that's been rewritten, refactored, added and changed here, I'd like it to marinate for a week on the dev branch before it triggers any upgrade notifications. Our dev branch tends to be very stable, and this is one week where there's enough new code that I don't want to call it as-stable-as-usual just yet (though it might very well be). In addition, it's also not totally finished as there's still some redundant code to be removed and stuff that needs to be moved around a bit, though everything should be fully functional as-is. I am running it here on the processwire.com site without any issues, so chances are that all is good, but I always like to be cautious. Below is a summary of what's new and changed. It's a bit technical, and there's nothing here that's all that important to know about, but whether you read on or not, just know that the core is getting even better and faster with updates like these. The core PagePaths module has been refactored and has multi-language support. Previously it only worked on single-language sites. Now multi-language sites can take advantage of potentially significant performance improvements offered by this module. This is one module that is not installed by default, but it's definitely worth installing: Modules > Core > PagePaths. The core LanguageSupportPageNames module has been refactored. Assuming I did it well, you shouldn't notice any difference other than that it's faster. For instance, one of the changes is that it drops its old indexes on the pages table and re-creates them in a different way. I discovered some situations where finding pages by multi-language path was resulting in full pages table scans. Using MySQL “explain” statements I found I could prevent that by reversing the order of the columns in the language-specific indexes, preventing the full table scan and making it many times faster. This could make a big difference on large multi-language sites, but is less likely to be noticed on smaller sites. The LanguageSupportPageNames module also gained a new configuration setting that lets you specify what should happen when a page is accessed at a language it's not available in: throw a 404 or redirect to the default language. The core PagePathHistory module has been refactored. It has a powerful new getPathInfo() method, though it's primarily of interest for internal core use. A new PagesRequest class has been added to the core and it can be accessed from $pages->request(). It primarily focuses on one hookable method: $pages->request()->getPage(). The method accepts no arguments but it analyzes the current request, identifies the page to render, and returns it. Previously this logic was in the ProcessPageView module. The benefit of this method is that you can now determine the page to render much earlier, like during the boot process. Previously the current page wasn't identified until after PW booted and the ProcessPageView module loaded. This will enable [for example] a module such as SessionAllow to decide whether or not to allow sessions based on what page was requested. In addition, this method is hookable, so you could have a module that adds its own logic to identify or change the page that should be rendered. A new PagesPathFinder class has been added to the core and can be accessed from $pages->pathFinder(). Like the PagesRequest class, this new class primarily focuses on one method: $pages->pathFinder()->get($path). The given $path can contain any page path, optionally containing language prefix, URL segments, pagination numbers, or even a previously named version of the path. It will find and validate that path and return an array of information about it. PagesPathFinder does its job very quickly. In fact, it's about 10 times faster (in testing/timing locally) than PW could previously identify this information using existing methods. PagesPathFinder will also take advantage of the PagePaths and/or PagePathHistory modules when appropriate, if they are installed. Below is an example of what the return value would be for path /es/hello/bar/baz/page3 where /es/ is the language prefix, /hello/ is the actual page, /bar/baz/ are the URL segments and /page3 is the pagination number segment. It analyzes everything out and returns a 200 "ok" response if the path is good, or in this case, it's returning a redirect because it detected a Spanish URL with English page name and pagination prefix, and it's suggesting a redirect: $info = $pages->pathFinder()->get('/es/hello/bar/baz/page3'); [ 'request' => '/es/hello/bar/baz/page3', // path that was requested 'response' => 301, // one of 200 (ok), 301 (permRedirect), 302 (tempRedirect), 404 (pageNotFound), 414 (pathTooLong) 'type' => 'permRedirect', // ok, permRedirect, tempRedirect, pagePathError, pageNotFound or pathTooLong 'errors' => [], // array of error messages indexed by error name 'redirect' => '/es/hola/bar/baz/pagina3', // suggested path to redirect to, blank otherwise 'page' => [ // info about page that was matched 'id' => 1237, 'parent_id' => 1232, 'templates_id' => 12, 'status' => 1, 'name' => 'hello' ], 'language' => [ 'name' => 'spanish', // name of language detected 'segment' => 'es', // segment prefix in path (if any) 'status' => 1 // language status where 1 is on, 0 is off ], 'parts' => [ // all the parts of the path identified [ 'type' => 'language', 'value' => 'es', 'language' => 'spanish' ], [ 'type' => 'pageName', 'value' => 'hello', 'language' => 'default' ], [ 'type' => 'urlSegment', 'value' => 'bar', 'language' => '' ], [ 'type' => 'urlSegment', 'value' => 'baz', 'language' => '' ], [ 'type' => 'pageNum', 'value' => 'page3', 'language' => 'default' ] ], 'urlSegments' => [ // URL segments identified in order 'bar', 'baz' ], 'urlSegmentStr' => 'bar/baz', // URL segment string 'pageNum' => 3, // requested pagination number 'pageNumPrefix' => 'page', // prefix used in pagination number 'scheme' => 'https', // blank if no scheme required, https or http if one of those is required 'method' => 'pagesRow', // method(s) that were used to find the page ] While you might never need to use this method yourself, ProcessWire now uses it on every request. And now that this logic is isolated from ProcessPageView and has a dedicated $pages API, it's much more open and we can, for example, more easily apply tests to this logic. I've covered a few updates here but there's more if you feel like digging in the commit log https://github.com/processwire/processwire/commits/dev. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

There's a couple things that made me think this part of the core could be better (and nothing related to middleware). First is that PW didn't originally support multi-language URLs, and so the LanguageSupportPageNames module was built to hook in and add support for that. There are benefits (performance, simplicity, etc.) to having that logic lower-level in the core and part of the same logic that identifies non-multi-language URLs. So that's something I've been interested in for a long time, but it was always more than I wanted to get into. The other thing is that I was working on that SessionAllow module and found it was a real drawback not to be able to know what Page was requested before deciding on things like whether to allow a session or not. Granted, we can still know the request URL before we know the Page, but it just seemed a lot more flexible for the core to know the requested Page much earlier in the boot process. That way, we can do things like configure whether sessions are allowed on a per-template basis, where such an option seems to make the most sense. Another example is 404 pages—maybe we don't need a session on a 404 page. But without knowing whether the URL will resolve to a Page or not, we didn't have that choice. Following these updates, we will. Lastly, I just like to revisit the core logic for things and improve it when/where possible, which helps to keep it fresh on the mind. But I don't like to get into replacing this kind of major core code when it'll soon be merged to the master, as this is the kind of stuff that needs more testing over a longer period of time. So with a comfortably stable master version available right now, it seemed like a good time to work on this.

This week I've been focusing on the dev branch and some low level code optimization, especially as it relates to the PW boot process, translating URLs to pages and identifying the page, language, URL segments, page numbers, etc. from the request URL. I'm breaking down much of the logic (currently in the ProcessPageView module) into more focused parts that can become part of PW's $pages API, increasing reusability of related code. (Don't worry, this won't affect any existing hooks). At the same time, I'm looking for opportunities for optimization and performance improvement, and have already found a few. For instance, the LanguageSupportPageNames module introduces overhead into some page finding operations and there's good improvement potential there, among others. I'm pretty much still in the middle of it all though, so am going to hold off on committing any of this to the dev branch until it's further along. But since we've got a quiet commit log this week, I just wanted to keep you up-to-date. Hopefully some of these fairly significant updates will be stable enough to commit to the dev branch next week. By the way, these updates will also enable the SessionAllow module (from last week) to be configurable by page, as PW will now identify the requested page before starting the session. More soon. Have a great weekend!

ProcessWire 3.0.185 is the latest version on the dev branch this week. Relative to the current master (3.0.184) this is 9 commits ahead and contains various minor fixes, improvements and additions. Since our current master version is quite stable and no significant issues have surfaced since release, we'll likely be focusing on the dev branch for several versions before merging back to the master/main branch. For details on what's new in 3.0.185 dev see the commit log. ProcessWire Weekly #383 also includes some details on a few new selector features added last week that you'll find in this version, read about it here. Today I've posted a new module in the directory called Session Allow. This module enables you to configure whether to allow sessions for each request based on simple configured rules. Currently it requires ProcessWire 3.0.184 or newer. The reason I built this module is that I find the current $config->sessionAllow setting (where you define a custom function) can be a little complicated to work with, especially since it gets called before most of ProcessWire’s API can even be used. This module aims to make control of sessions a lot simpler than that. The benefit of being able to control when a session is allowed is that it lets you better focus your resources for sessions to just the requests where they will be needed, helping to reduce server overhead and improve performance. Currently it supports allowing (or disallowing) sessions based on page path matching rules and hostname matching rules. I also plan to add support for sessions allowed/disallowed per page template, which I think would be really useful. But it'll take some changes to the PW core to support that, as ProcessWire starts the session before determining what page has been requested (and thus what template will be used). So I'm going to make the necessary core updates and then save that feature for version 2 of this module. I'm releasing the module as "alpha" right now because I rushed a bit to get it out for today and feel it needs more testing before I can call it stable. So if you are interested in using it, make sure to test everything out in a development environment first. And if you do get a chance to test it, please let me know how it works for you. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

@horst Like with matching a "parent=" or "has_parent=", it just sends the path to another $pages->get('...'); call to lookup the ID, so it should work with any path that $pages->get() would accept.

This week there are a few minor updates on the dev branch, though not enough yet to bump the version. The most notable are a few improvements to the database selectors you can use with $pages->find() and similar API calls. While working through issue reports a few weeks ago, there were a couple issue reports that indicated one selector or another not working. What I found was that it was working as designed/built, but they were just selector features that had never been supported. But they also seemed like good/useful shorthand syntax to support, so I was enthusiastic to add support for them. I just wanted to wait till we were back on the dev branch, as we are now. Here's what's been added: Support for OR values on "status=" selectors. Now you can match one status or another with PageFinder selectors by specifying a selector like "status=hidden|unpublished", and this will find all pages that either have hidden or unpublished status. The hidden and unpublished are just likely the most common examples, but you can use any other status name, or as many statuses as necessary in your OR condition. Previously it was possible to match pages having one status or another by other means, but it was far from straightforward. Now it's nice and simple. Support for OR values on "sort=" selectors. This one isn't technically an OR condition since we are giving a command to the selector engine about how it should sort, rather than trying to match something. You can tell it how to sort with the syntax "sort=date|title" as an example. That would be shorthand for "sort=date, sort=title", which is saying "first sort by date, then by title". Support for combined start and limit selectors. Previously you have had to specify "start=x, limit=y" separately, if you needed it. Now you can optionally specify both as part of the "limit", for example "limit=5|10" which is shorthand for "start=5, limit=10", and actually kind of similar to what it translates to in MySQL, which is "LIMIT 5,10". I suspect that not many people ever use "start=" in their selectors unless using "start=0" to prevent a set from paginating. So if you wanted a set of 10 pages that don't follow the current pagination, you could specify "limit=0|10" in your selector, or the more verbose "start=0, limit=10" will work in any PW version. Support for matching children paths. This is a small one, but previously you couldn't do "children=/path/to/page" to match a page having the given child path. Though you could do "children=123" where 123 is the ID of the child page. It has been updated so that it can now support paths in addition to IDs, just as "parent" does. I'm not sure why we didn't have support for this one before, it likely just hadn't come up yet. You can use OR values here too if you'd like. As before, you can also use subfields on "children" as well. Worth mentioning is that these are additions for our PageFinder engine which queries the database. We also have the lesser used in-memory selectors which don't yet support all of these, but I've put it on my to-do list. In-memory page finding selectors come into play if you are post-filtering pages that you have already loaded from the database into a PageArray. We like these to maintain some consistency with the database selectors when possible, so I'll likely have that working here soon. From this end, I'm also putting ~2 hours of work into the new Pages Snapshots module every day, with a lot of progress but also still a lot of ground to cover. Separately, I'm working on pulling more than 4 million articles out of an older proprietary legacy CMS for a newspaper organization and converting them to a standard XML format for import elsewhere. A lot of data conversion has to take place in terms of cleaning up markup for each article. ProcessWire is the tool that all of this is being done in, and I'm using a lot of $sanitizer methods as well as keeping HTML Purifier busy! Thanks for reading and have a great weekend!

@MarkE Was this bodyFoot thing querying the database, or doing something memory? When querying the database with something that uses an index, it can be affected by what characters MySQL indexes as part of a word. Though I think MySQL would much more commonly index "myText" and not "<p>myText". It may come down to more specifically what the exact text that you are using in that bodyFoot query, like perhaps it's matching a stopword? Or if this is a selector that isn't querying the database, it could be tested like this: $value = WireData([ 'text' => '<p>myText, some more text, ... </p>' ]); $tests = [ 'text*=myText', 'text%=myText' ]; foreach($tests as $test) { $s = new Selectors($test); echo "<li>$test: " . ($s->matches($value) ? 'Yes' : 'No'); } I get "Yes" for both fo the tests, indicating it matches. Though I recognize this is probably not the real text you are matching.

@MarkE That I think may be defeating the purpose of making it load on-demand. What I intended to suggest is to add that adminSite() function, and then replace any of your calls with setting('admin_site') with adminSite(). For example, rather than calling setting('admin_site')->pages->get('...'); you'd call adminSite()->pages->get('...'); and it should do the same thing. The main difference is that your admin site doesn't get booted until the first time the adminSite() function is called. That's desirable because it prevents you from booting it when you aren't going to access it, saving overhead. A function can only be defined once, so it doesn't matter where you call adminSite(); from whether site-admin or site-web. Great! Glad that it seems to be working now. As for why the *= wasn't working, I think we'd need to look at what is in $host in order to tell. It would also be good to know the full context of that bodyFoot*=$host, for instance is that selector being sent to a $pages API call, or to something else? The biggest difference between *= and %= is that *= matches from the beginning of a word boundary whereas %= matches anywhere in the string. So if you've got an instance where %= is matching and *= isn't, then most likely it's because of that difference. If its querying the database, then *= is also subject to stopwords and minimum indexable word length (typically 4) whereas %= is not. @AndZyk Interesting, I'll have to try that out. Are you using the latest German language pack released by @dotnetic or a different/earlier one? I think the capitalization issue might not be specifically with InputfieldTextTags but with its usage in ProcessField/ProcessTemplate. I don't think there's a reason to avoid using it elsewhere. @kongondo The InputfieldPage had to be added because often InputfieldTextTags is used in combination with InputfieldPage. The jQuery selector ".InputfieldTextTags, .InputfieldPage" seems to be valid. Does the error trigger on that line in particular, or does it occur sometime later? Do you find there is any difference if you set $config->debug = 'dev'; ? That will make it use a newer jQueryCore version. That was throwing up the JavaScript error I posted above. My remedy was to let ProcessWire Inputfields trigger the reload, like this: Glad that seems to have fixed it. If this works, and triggering 'reload' manually didn't work, it means that $myInputfieldTextTagsSelectItem is not an .Inputfield element. The 'reload' event is is specific to .Inputfield elements, so the Inputfields.reload() method will attempt to locate the and trigger the .Inputfield element if given something other than an .Inputfield. I think that must be why it is working when the manually triggered one wasn't?

@wbmnfktr I don't see anything wrong there, that all looks like exactly what it's supposed to do. It may be a bit verbose but I think that's best when debug mode is enabled, especially on new installations. Rest assured, all looks well with your installation. It's kind of like how when you buy a new computer or phone, it installs whatever updates are needed to ensure that everything is up-to-date. @shadowkyogre This is not new to 3.0.184, but check to see if your title field is globally required on all templates. If so, you may want to disable that setting. It is in the field editor on the "Advanced" tab, when editing your title field. Or if you just want to disable the setting for the template that you are using, enable $config->advanced=true; in your /site/config.php file, edit the template in Setup > Templates, click the "System" tab and check the box to "Disregard global fields", for that template. Then remove the advanced setting from your config.php file, unless you want it for something else. @MarkE I'm not aware of a difference that would affect that, but wanted to suggest booting your other site on-demand rather than on every page render. So I would replace your setting() call with the following: if(!function_exists('adminSite')) { function adminSite() { static $instance = null; if($instance === null) $instance = new ProcessWire($config->paths->root . 'site/'); return $instance; } } Then anywhere you need your instance, do your calls like adminSite()->pages->get('...'); Next, make sure that your instances are both running the exact same ProcessWire version. The other thing that's a little unconventional here is that the site you are booting is using the /site/ dir, which is ProcessWire's default. Usually if booting another instance, it would be in a different location or be using a /site-something/ dir rather than the default. I'm not sure if that's a potential issue or not, but wanted to mention it just in case. You might want to rename your /site/ to /site-admin/ so that there is no /site/ directory which would typically be the primary instance. I can assure you that PW isn't editing your file. But I agree that is really weird. Whatever is doing that might be the source of the issue. This sounds like the sort of issue I run into when I edit a file on the wrong node of a load balancer, and a moment later it gets replaced by the primary node. Make sure that you are using <?php namespace ProcessWire; at the top of your templates and any other PHP files, just to rule out anything file compiler related. Also check what /site/modules/ you have installed just in case.