hidden vs unpublished - for select values

[bwakad]

What is the difference between the hidden and unpublished?

I know i can use either one to NOT display them in a menu. The hidden won't let them appear in lists and searches. But unpublished basically does the same thing for what I use these pages for....

I use a number of parent pages and it's children to create values for radio or selects. I add fields for this to a template. Then I simply display it's values. Which one of those two do I use, and only on the parent or on all children too?

example:

household

- alone

- with parents

- with children

[marcus]

What is the difference between the hidden and unpublished?

I know i can use either one to NOT display them in a menu. The hidden won't let them appear in lists and searches. But unpublished basically does the same thing for what I use these pages for....

I use a number of parent pages and it's children to create values for radio or selects. I add fields for this to a template. Then I simply display it's values. Which one of those two do I use, and only on the parent or on all children too?

example:

household

- alone

- with parents

- with children

Generally: hidden prevents pages from being listed in menus, foreach loops and searches, but if you now the path to the page, you will be able to call it, even when being guest (meaning: not having permission to see unpublished pages).

Unpublished means hidden in lists (like mentioned above) AND, for users that do not have the permission to see unpublished pages, inaccessible even via its path/URL.

I assume you have that page reference construct built in the backend. There, unless actively changed, you are superuser. "Hidden" pages will appear in such a reference field, "unpublished" ones won't.

Edited August 16, 2014 by marcus

[Pete]

Generally: hidden prevents pages from being listed in menus, foreach loops and searches, but if you now the path to the page, you will be able to call it, even when being guest (meaning: not having permission to see unpublished pages).

IF there is a template file for those pages.

Often for select fields I create a Tools template which is just an empty template with no file. That way I can set up things like selects (where I don't want them to be pages on the site) and not worry about anyone guessing the URL.

I always set them to hidden. Unpublished implies you're not wanting to use a page yet.

[bwakad]

Just to be clear on this topic:

I created 2 selects in front-end. Parents are hidden.

With "hidden" child-pages (even if I specify the path) not display values.

With "un-hidden" child-pages - meaning published - does display values.

So I think for selects:

the key element for not displaying in a menu is the parent state.

the key element for not displaying in a select is the child state.