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Think about pw as: once your mind has embraced a higher dimension, it will never want to go back again.
PW destroys the paradigm cms because you can structurize, combine, templating and profiling your html/css/js
in any way you want and hook it all up with a very powerful api - so - you will always have more freedom and win time with pw.
PW is fast on the front-end and back-end, lots of modules and easy editable for clients, 4 very important issues.
Yes - for someone with a design focus like you - you need to invest some time to get familiar with pw and it's api but it will pay off.
People with a coders mind will have a very short pw learning curve.
Here my must read pw starters link collection:
http://processwire.com/talk/topic/1041-raydale-multimedia-a-case-study/
http://processwire.com/talk/topic/1015-switching-from-drupal-to-processwire/page__view__findpost__p__8988
http://processwire.com/talk/topic/3691-tutorial-a-quick-guide-to-processwire-for-those-transitioning-from-modx/
http://processwire.com/talk/topic/2296-confused-by-pages/I found this also somewhere (it isn't mine) but can't remember where I found it.
Well I think most people think page == what you see instead of page == container
Well, you gotta understand the power behind pages. At first I didn't get it either - because
I only saw pages as, well, normal pages, just like in other systems. Not as a content container
which can be called via the PW API. So yeah - once you got it, you got it. But it takes a while,
I think. Especially when you look at and test many CMSs for just a short time.
So I think this power feature/USP got to be explained again and again - to attract new developers...And here some good Stuff to read about pw
http://www.mademyday.de/why-i-chose-processwire-over-modx.html
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What about making a website for your self about a specific topic that is interesting for many people. Build this website up for a couple of years, rank it up in google and then make money with google adsense / adwords and payed advertisements from local businesses ?
I know a german man who is living not far from me and who is working from home and made this website by him self (check the advertisements from the local shops and business)
This website is for german tourists and german people who live in spain and this website is making enough money for him so that he can live from it. Just another example that it is really possible.
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Aren't we getting off topic ?
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My experience is that many website builders consider this a private part of their work
and so discussions and answers about this topic stay for the most part private.
Of course I can understand that, it would be like asking someone how
much money he or she is earning every month, for how many hours and what
kind of work and many people would like to keep that private.
But it would help a lot of newbies if they could learn something from
the pro's about making, negotiating, planning, selling and getting payed
for websites.
I for example made only 8 or 9 websites that I actually sold. None of them was done with pw that came later on.
I charged between 300 and 800 euros because they were simple websites
with still a lot of work and I got payed when the website was finished
and delivered.
Sometimes I got not payed as promised or not payed at all and had to
shut down the website. Then on the first page of the website I put in
big letters : "This website is for sale - contact me at - - - - - "
The next day they called me where to meet and pay me !
Because I am not a pro website developer and know little php (but I am good with html/css/api and photoshop)
my rate is 15 euro/hour for html-css-photoshop work and 20 euro/hour for simple php work.
I have studied coding rates per hour with google from many internet
entrepreneurs and I know my rates are cheap but hey I am not a pro. I am
learning everyday and my dream is to become a pro website developer and
coder with pw and make a living with websites. That would be a dream
come true for me and say goodbye to my work at a rent a car company.
And I am sure I am not the only one on this forum with this dream.
So people - please reply on this topic.
My own experience with selling websites so far:
1. Only give FTP - Admin - Database - CPanel passwords to the client when he has fully payed you !!
2. Don't let your self get payed the total sum at the end but get payed each time you finished a part
of the website, lets say in 3 or 4 parts.
3. Make it absolute clear from the very beginning that changes and edits on the website afterwards
are going to be charged and for how much. Just too many clients take it for granted that doing changes
and edits on their website afterwards are included with the end price they payed you.
4. Offer them from the very beginning a payed course if the client wants to edit the website for him self.
By the way - this is also and exactly the reason why it is so
important that a cms has an easy front-end for the client so he can edit
his website in an easy way.
5. Informing your client about points 3 and 4 at the end makes them angry. Tell them at the very beginning.
What I and many others, would like to read from you people is how to find new projects or new clients ?
At what point do you hand over the ftp - admin - database and cpanel passwords ?
How do you let your self getting payed for your work ?
- at the beginning
- in parts
- at the end
And where do you consider risks in the payment ?
How many people here do actually make a living with websites and how many do it as a second income ?
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You can also look for clients who can save themselves a lot of time explaining their customers by email and phone what their work and service is. A website with examples, pictures and explaining text can save them hours on the phone and email with their potential customers who have a lot of questions. Explain that to the business and they will pay you for the time you save them on the phone and the phone bills.
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I'm trying this, but we've experience of getting clients who expect cheap price, even when they can really afford, they really won't pay, that's how it works here.
Ok, I know what you mean, I am facing the same problem here. But a friend of mine has found a way to find better clients who pay better money. He has learned php together with data processing and communication. Now he is working with rent a car companies and hotels. Rent a car companies want to automate with a server over the internet what customer has rented what car for how many days and when the car is expected to come back at what office. Also they want car hire reservations to be done over the internet. Same with Hotels, they want to know over the internet with their website who is staying in the hotel, for how long and when they check out. Also hotel bookings need to be done over the internet. If you can code this automatization in their website they pay you big money for this. I can not do something like this but I see this friend of mine making big money with this. You can also find your self customers over the internet for car hire companies and hotels and they pay you commission.
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can't you offer to work from spain over the internet and keep your day time job at the car rent? at least for a testing period.
Thanks for the tip totoff, I will discuss that with them on Friday. Yes I do live in Spain but this german internet company is also in Spain only a few kilometers away from where I live. It's an internet company started by 2 very smart germans. As you know, Spain is one of the countries that has been hit hard by the economic crisis, more hard than most other european countries. So if you have a job in Spain then you should be glad. By the way I am not spanish my self. I was born in the Netherlands but moved to Spain when I was around 40. I should have stayed in the Netherlands but hey that is talking afterwards.
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But then comes a question, where do I get the clients from who will pay me good for my quality of work?
I think this can be done not only over the internet but also locally where you live. Everywhere, also where you live locally, there are still a lot of companies, offices, businesses, police stations, hospitals, doctors, dentists, garages, plumbers, transporters, etc, etc. etc.
who are without their website. Make a list of every company, office, business, etc that you can find in your neighborhood. Contact them by phone, email, jump in your car and pay them a visit and ask for the manager. Offer them your service to present their business on the internet. Even if they say they already have a website offer them to upgrade their website in 2 or more languages.
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one important key to professionalism is to take professional rates. 15/20 euros is not enough to make a living from. this is, why you attract clients who doesn't take you for serious. they simply doesn't consider you as an professional.
Yes, I know you are right about that totoff, many other people have told me the same and I am struggling with this. It's my daily fight to become more professional and faster with coding and get my self into the market. Coming friday a german internet company is going to test me if they can use me. By god i hope so because this will be a major step up in making money with the internet. But I am also so afraid because If they hire me but later on decide I am not good enough I can never return anymore to my work that I have now at a rent a car company.
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I re-edited my post a couple of times afterwards.
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Very good topic Vineet Sawant !! Not only discuss with each other coding pw websites
but also about marketing websites.
My experience is that many website builders consider this a private part of their work
and so discussions and answers about this topic stay for the most part private.
Of course I can understand that, it would be like asking someone how much money he or she is earning every month, for how many hours and what kind of work and many people would like to keep that private.
But it would help a lot of newbies if they could learn something from the pro's about making, negotiating, planning, selling and getting payed for websites.
I for example made only 8 or 9 websites that I actually sold. None of them was done with pw that came later on.
I charged between 300 and 800 euros because they were simple websites with still a lot of work and I got payed when the website was finished and delivered.
Sometimes I got not payed as promised or not payed at all and had to shut down the website. Then on the first page of the website I put in big letters : "This website is for sale - contact me at - - - - - "
The next day they called me where to meet and pay me !
Because I am not a pro website developer and know little php (but I am good with html/css/api and photoshop)
my rate is 15 euro/hour for html-css-photoshop work and 20 euro/hour for simple php work.
I have studied coding rates per hour with google from many internet entrepreneurs and I know my rates are cheap but hey I am not a pro. I am learning everyday and my dream is to become a pro website developer and coder with pw and make a living with websites. That would be a dream come true for me and say goodbye to my work at a rent a car company.
And I am sure I am not the only one on this forum with this dream.
So people - please reply on this topic.
My own experience with selling websites so far:
1. Only give FTP - Admin - Database - CPanel passwords to the client when he has fully payed you !!
2. Don't let your self get payed the total sum at the end but get payed each time you finished a part
of the website, lets say in 3 or 4 parts.
3. Make it absolute clear from the very beginning that changes and edits on the website afterwards
are going to be charged and for how much. Just too many clients take it for granted that doing changes
and edits on their website afterwards are included with the end price they payed you.
4. Offer them from the very beginning a payed course if the client wants to edit the website for him self.By the way - this is also and exactly the reason why it is so important that a cms has an easy front-end for the client so he can edit his website in an easy way.
5. Informing your client about points 3 and 4 at the end makes them angry. Tell them at the very beginning.
What I and many others, would like to read from you people is how to find new projects or new clients ?
At what point do you hand over the ftp - admin - database and cpanel passwords ?
How do you let your self getting payed for your work ?
- at the beginning
- in parts
- at the endAnd where do you consider risks in the payment ?
How many people here do actually make a living with websites and how many do it as a second income ?
Ok thanks in advance for your replies.
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to pw or not to wp - ha ha
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Site looks really professional. How long did it take to finish this site ? How did you do the animated pw text on the left top side. The included links beauty-professionals and sales-professionals are moving along with the animation, very nice. Where did you find the 3 rotating pictures on the right side (beauty woman - couple and salesman). Did you buy them from a photosite ?
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This one really did it. Amazing aha eye opener for evo people (like me).
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Many assume the system to be much more complex than it actually is simply because they are giving more weight to tutorials and copy/paste snippets of code from the forum rather than the bigger picture that is emphasized by the docs.
Yes, and thanks for those separated links apeisa, I understand that I still have overlooked a lot in the api docs
and have to go back there. Too enthusiastic beginners problem I guess also.
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If I recall, Diogo mentioned that he printed out all the pages in the /api/ section of the site, took them to a park, and read them in an hour or so. Despite not starting out as a coder, he came back here knowing how to do anything. He can literally answer any question because he knows the big picture.
That's interesting. Recalling Diogo's comments and posts I sure get the impression he must be a full blown pro coder. Same impression I get of code snippets and websites that people throw at each other in this forum. No hobby websites but pro stuff.
I think an issue is that people aren't used to understanding the big picture because they assume a level of complexity that isn't there with ProcessWire.
It usually takes a long time for me before I see the big picture.of anything. But I consider my self really lucky to see enough of processwire to recognize the big difference in it's big and open potential compared to the other well know cms'es. I know I have been spoiled by easy modx evo, stop wanking and start going the pw learning curve.
One more thing though, but where do you find the following 3 solutions below in the docs ?
(they were given to me in the forum thanks to Diogo, Teppo and Soma)
How to check if the name of the current page is within this range, then do stuff
Diogo solution
if ($pages->find("name=slideshow18|slideshow18|slideshow38|slideshow88")->has($page))
Teppo solution
if ($page->is("name=slideshow18|slideshow28|slideshow38")) {
Soma solution if it doesn't matter what number
if($page->is("name^=slideshow")){
// page name starts with slideshow
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ProcessWire may be fine when you look at it on the surface, but it really shines when you actually use it, know it and develop in it. I think this is something most ProcessWire reviews miss.
Let's face this especially more for processwire than for modx evo: the more you know about php and coding in general, the more you can do with processwire.
The review stated the documentation was lacking, but I bet the author(s) didn't read the docs.
Lot's of valuable info, examples, tips and tricks to apply the "open" potential of processwire, both for newbies and rookies are simply not in the docs but scattered all over the forum. Therefore I started indexing that info, tips and tricks and keep it on a pendrive, always available. Before I start to do something with processwire I first read through all the examples, tips and tricks otherwise I would not use half of it's potential.
ProcessWire is a system where it's really about what's underneath rather than what's on the surface, and I think that's something very difficult to capture or communicate in review.
That is so true, see also above commenets. And it shows that this forum is filled with a lot of experienced and skilled coders who take their skills and experience for granted while newbies have difficulty to follow and keep up with them but would really want to because of pw's big potential.
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Besides PW being an amazing cms there are some amazing contributing coders here as well. I am loosing track of all the modules, tips and tricks coming out lately. Wished I could spend more time on PW but damn my job doesn't allow me.
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I am tasked at making a decision on a platform/CMS to rebuild a large casual gaming portal. It will host over 1000 flash games, and we're planning to introduce HTML5 games as well in 2014.
Congratulations. That looks like the company you work for has put you on a big and interesting project. Wished I was working on a project like that. Oh - and PW is going to be your best choice for it. Very strong api and is totally open for using your own html - css - php - plus templates and comes with modules.
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What about creating template files for the basic website that are separate from the blog ?
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At manfred62
Imho too much px values inside. Also the width's are preset? (w320, w640...)
Quote from the site http://gridiculo.us/index.html
Ability to not be locked into always having to start with 1200px, so I created some stops along the way. You can set your site to max out at 960px, 640px, 320px or even stretch it out to full width. You can even space out your columns, create nested columns all the while making sure your images and videos remain fully responsive no matter what screen size.
If I open the gridiculous.css file I see % and em's and only see px for max-width
.w320{max-width:320px}
.w640{max-width:640px}
.w960{max-width:960px}In my basic understanding I still think this could be a jackpot css. Just go to the bottom of the website and see where gridiculous is based upon. This must be something more than the average css framework. But I need your people's pro coding experience to help me if this is really a good one or that I am only in a wishfull state of thinking to have found something special.
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What do you people think about this one ?
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Shouldn't websites not be easy to understand and navigate ?
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Finally a css framework that doesn't søck
http://gridiculo.us/index.html
- Based on a twelve columns grid
- Max site set widths of 1280px, 960px, 640px, 320px and full width
- Allows for nested columns
- Spacer columns available
- Fully responsive images
- Responsive typography
- Works on desktops, tablets and smart phones
- Optimized for iPads and iPhones
- Includes Normalize.css by Nicolas Gallagher and Jonathan Neal
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At dragan
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1061-why-we-skip-photoshop
Use illustrator to make quick mockups then either stay in illustrator or export parts to photoshop.
Or create in photoshop and import in illustrator.
Many try photoshop simulations with the latest css and js but it always looks a bit dull and blurred
when compared with photoshop. Same story with adobe flash that always looked so damn crispy
clear and shiny. Todays html5 and css still don't come close to adobe flash. But hey Big Apple
banned adobe flash and a new hype was born.
Also photoshop graphics are 100 % browser compatible and need much less database calls
compared with the database calls needed for all that mathematical css and js.
check this out
Project Management for Developers: How you do it?
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I really think the ideal situation would be to have a half day job ( like from 08:00 till 13:00 o'clock ) that can support your living in paying the rent, food etc and then in the afternoon make websites with pw, explore the market, find customers and find out how to charge and get payed. Untill you make enough money with websites and you can quit your half day job. I had such a half day job once but didn't value it the way I do that now. Can kill my self for that now because now I have a full day job and have hardly the time to realize my dream to become and independent website maker/seller. Any tips and advice welcome here.